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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#74901: Sep 24th 2017 at 4:52:11 PM

From the photos I've seen, probably towards the lean side, smaller than Civil War. Especially since the way Stan talks about it he seems to personally think he overshot the mark.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#74902: Sep 24th 2017 at 4:56:37 PM

[up][up][up]The Ronin thing was based on a report from a source that previously had some info on Infinity War that proved to be valid, so they have at least some credibility. I think the whole thing started because Jeremy Renner got a new haircut and some people were speculating it was to accommodate him wearing a mask.

The good thing is his SHIELD training would hopefully make it less of an Ass Pull than it was in the comics.

edited 24th Sep '17 5:07:03 PM by comicwriter

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#74903: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:30:37 PM

I didn't even notice that Bucky was buffer in Civil War.

edited 24th Sep '17 5:31:31 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#74904: Sep 24th 2017 at 7:07:15 PM

His face looked a little puffier in the airport battle scene, but part of that is the shorter and less flattering haircut plus the baggier jacket. People've taken screencaps of him throughout the movie though and you can clearly see a lot more muscle definition underneath his civvies.

edited 24th Sep '17 7:17:34 PM by AlleyOop

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#74905: Sep 24th 2017 at 7:43:39 PM

Iron Fist, episode six!

"The time has come." Well, this is ominous. I really like the third guy singing karaoke in a murdered wedding reception. Very creepy, so many questions, clearly an asshole. I look forward to Danny fisting him.

The narration is equally ominous but in a completely different way. I assume that's Lei-Kung the Thunderer speaking.

"Are you good for this meeting?" "What do you mean?" She's asking if you're high. She found you on drugs last episode and now you're talking like you're clearly blitzed out of your mind. She needs you on the ball, seeping the noxious fumes of brimstone and sulfur out of every pore, not wasting away on a couch rambling about how many damned souls it would take to screw in a lightbulb.

"I made a mistake. It won't happen again." She knows it was drugs. This is the sort of subtextual conversation people have when they're on drugs. He already gave the excuse of the muscle relaxant and she signalled that she's willing to accept that for now. This statement about it being a mistake makes no sense in the context of him legitimately being on pain meds, but it's not supposed to. Now that she's accepted his narrative, he feels comfortable apologizing, and she's willing to accept that apology so long as he holds to it.

"Danny. This is all about him; he has got to be at that meeting today." Good luck with that. Hopefully he doesn't develop Murdock's work ethic.

"I found the guy who makes The Hand's heroin." Danny's really bad at knowing what to keep shut about. Ward's already indicated he's not interested.

"I'm going with you, you're going to be back here on time." "Pfft, whatever, Dad." You invited him to come. Having him tag along was your idea, Danny. Why are you being so flippant all of a sudden?

"Are you sure we're going to be back in time?" "In this? Yeah." When did Danny get a driver's license? He was able to sort of drive Ward's car before because he'd driven a bit when he was a kid but that's hardly sufficient to pass a driver's test. Man, Danny trying to learn how to drive could have been an episode all on its own. At the very least, a couple scenes of Joy teaching him or something might have been warranted. Him just having a car and being able to drive is kinda weird.

Also, this is New York. Danny's all like, "Yeah, we'll make it in time 'cause my car's awesome and I somehow learned enough about cars in K'un Lun to be a judge of that," but the problem isn't how fast your car goes. The problem is New York City traffic. It doesn't matter if you're in an Aston Martin or a station wagon, you're still going 5 MPH once you hit the streets.

"We need to get him to a hospital." Just last episode, you were freaking out about the fact that The Hand are after this guy. Now you want to put countless people in harm's way by staging a repeat of what happened to you in DareDevil's second season?

"If we don't do something soon, you're going to have a dead man in your bed." If you do do something soon, you're going to have many dead people in beds!

You know, I expected them to open the truck and it'd be perfectly normal and Danny would be like, "No! This isn't right!" while Ward assumes he's getting crazier and crazier.

Severed head was an unexpected touch.

"So you're saying I have more experience fighting The Hand than you do?!" [lol] I'm so glad Claire's here. Colleen seems to have accepted Danny's creepy dominance displays and taken her place as his second-fiddle, which is obnoxious but at least we can be done with that part of their relationship and I don't have to be constantly reminded of how terrible he is every time they share a scene. But it's nice that Claire's still here to tell him he's full of shit.

"I'm the Iron Fist." "The hell does that mean?" "It means I never lose." That's the stupidest definition he possibly could have provided. Unless his superpower is a reality-warping effect that causes all fights to end in his victory, this is empty boasting in place of an explanation. Danny, just shut up and start punching people.

"I've been preparing my entire life to defend K'un Lun against The Hand and now I find out they're here? This is where I'm meant to be." If you're so certain of that, why did you leave? Danny left K'un Lun knowing that he wouldn't be able to return for 15 years to come back to New York. He was just like, "Sure, I'll leave K'un Lun defenseless. The Hand may slaughter them all without the sacred Iron Fist who's so important, but that's not my business anymore!"

Danny's in a really weird place narratively where he has to be apathetic enough about the threat of The Hand to leave K'un Lun and discover them in New York, and yet serious enough about them to drop everything once he's here to go fight them.

And now Danny's practicing in the dojo and blowing off the crisis meeting even though it was the entire reason Ward agreed to go with him. How did Ward even get back to the office? They were in Danny's car. How did that conversation go, where Danny was like, "Dropping you off. I know I said I'd come to the meeting afterwards but I don't really give a single solitary shit about the company I seized control of from you," and Ward was like, "Cool. Peace!"

"I understand why you're going. I just don't want you to." As is typical of her archetype, Colleen has now embraced her role as the hero's lovestruck girlfriend who begs him not to leave, but he must, for he is made of equal parts awesome and badass and this much raw heroism cannot be contained, not even by the love of a hapless damsel. Bleh. This subplot is everything I hate about anime.

"A child touched by fire, delivered from Heaven to be our greatest warrior, destined for victory." So, that's clearly a reference to the plane crash. What, Danny was prophesized? He's not just an Iron Fist, but a super-special Iron Fist heralded in ancient legend? Of course he is. He's white.

"Who are you talking to?" He's clearly meditating, Claire.

"It's time." That doesn't answer her question, Danny. But that's expected. Danny will vomit word salad explanations at people who have no idea what he's talking about, but when asked to actually explain something, he hushes up and acts like they never said anything. Danny speaks only on Danny's terms and not at the behest of people less important than him.

"My master agrees with your terms." Madame Gao has a commanding officer? Huh. I kinda figured she was the head person in charge of The Hand.

"Except we aren't two." "We are one." …are you being literal right now? Like, you fuse into a single guy to fight Danny? Because if this is a metaphor, then Danny's absolutely right; you're totally cheating by tag-teaming him.

"The challenge has begun." Yep. Cheating.

"The first battle is won." Even setting aside the fact that the fighter for the first round was clearly two fighters, it seems unfair to me that Danny wasn't allowed to bring Colleen and yet Madame Gao can field as many combatants as she wants to wear him down. If Danny's second isn't allowed to be here, Gao shouldn't get a second either.

"You're a woman." "I am indeed. Does that make you…uneasy?" Jesus Christ, show, really? After all the trouble we've been having with representation of women, Danny finally gets to fight one outside of mansplaining kung fu to Colleen and we're going with "sultry temptress"? F*ck's sake.

"It does. I sense your fear." Fear? That's a weird response to a sexy woman in his presence. I mean, it makes sense. Danny works overtime to assert his masculinity and dominance around Colleen because he's afraid of women but has been raised to confront the things he's afraid of. He's a member of a long tradition of belligerent, angry men blaming women for giving them erections.

Also, this is clearly supposed to be Bride of Nine Spiders, which makes the bedsheets a really underwhelming low-budget decoration choice. If you can't afford to do the character justice, maybe just don't?

"What is this?" An obvious trap. The f*ck do you think it is?

[lol] Her kicking him in the face right in the middle of his meditative kata was hilarious.

"That grief is weakness. Banish it." …not really relevant to Danny's paralyzing horniness, Lei-Kung. Nice try, though.

…did Danny just cure himself of poison by wanting really badly to not be poisoned? Which also made the lights explode? The f*ck just happened?

"Okay, thank you for being absolutely no help." I don't think he's actually high. The severed head hallucination in the boardroom is interesting. Is Ward schizophrenic? Is that what his medications are about? Is he taking lithium?

"I just need something for the pain and then I'll be on my way." Wow, Ward. Way to sound like a turbo-junkie. Also, he's trying to get painkillers? Is this withdrawal symptoms from the magic heroin?

"They have him!" No shit. The Hand found your mystery patient in the same hospital where they found the last mystery patient. Color me surprised.

"The whole thing was a decoy." "They took him a different way." You know, in a way, this might actually be for the best. Claire emphasized repeatedly that he's dying, but The Hand can bring him back so that's not really a problem for them.

"Are you willing to kill Danny Rand so that the Iron Fist might live?" Obviously, he wasn't, given how long and how stupidly he fought to legally resurrect himself after abandoning you all to be slaughtered by The Hand.

"Who's your master?" "I serve only myself." No, you came here because you think it's the purpose that K'un Lun prepared you for. Not because you wanted to. Danny can't make up his mind about whether or not he wants to be the Iron Fist. For a guy whose character flaws stem from fifteen years of brutal training, he is very poorly disciplined.

Given what his Iron Fist was shown to do previously, punching the third guy with it should have made his torso explode. I'm not clear on why this whole "Withdraw now" vs. "Finish him" is even possible to be had.

"They still teach honor. And I made a promise." Your mentor was just screaming at you in your mind to murder a defeated enemy in cold blood and allow a hostage to be killed. Sounds like honor to me!

So, this was a decent episode. Danny's still an obnoxious protagonist and I swear his lines are just chosen out of a hat of Cool Phrases rather than any attempt at having consistency of character, but at least he didn't do anything that made me want to strangle him, so progress was made. He did plenty of things I disapprove of, particularly stepping out on an important meeting again. He didn't even have urgent ninja-fighting business this time; he just went to update Claire and Colleen about what happened and then do katas for a few hours. He skipped that meeting out of spite.

Colleen continues to be an annoying character when Danny's around, because of her transparant role as his sidekick and love interest. But at least she got to hang out with Claire a bit this episode, so that was cool.

And I'm interested in where this is going with Ward. For a second, that hallucination he had made me think he might be schizophrenic, but his insistence on pain meds makes me think it's the magic heroin putting him through withdrawals or something. Or perhaps he has a pain med addiction? That's a thing too, and it would explain why he keeps taking those pills I'm jokingly calling his Chronic Backstabbing Disorder medication.

Danny's still a really shitty protagonist, but this was a step in…not necessarily the right direction, but certainly a better one.

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#74906: Sep 24th 2017 at 7:54:31 PM

What they did to the Bride of Nine Spiders was outright stupid. They turned her into an uninteresting, generic dragon woman stereotype.

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#74907: Sep 24th 2017 at 7:55:14 PM

Ward's a total junkie. He takes pills to cope with the pressure of being this high-powered executive figure who's really nothing but a glorified errand boy for his evil dead dad. He needs to present the appearance of strength while actually feeling completely powerless, doing terrible things with no one he can talk about it with, and it's been like this for years. Hence drugs.

And I kind of wish this whole mini-tournament had just been an episode-long series of fights with Scythe (the karaoke guy). The other two fighters sucked (...well, three, I guess). Bride of Nine Spiders is only one of the other Immortal Weapons, why not just reduce her to a cheap Poison Ivy henchwoman knockoff?

edited 24th Sep '17 8:51:59 PM by Unsung

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#74908: Sep 24th 2017 at 8:03:33 PM

Yeah, the Bride of the Nine Spiders was rather underwhelming. Never cared much for the "sultry temptress" archetype, and then she goes down in one punch anyway once he overcomes his apparent poison-induced priapism.

Scythe, on the other hand, is really cool. Him singing "Take On Me" while killing a whole room of dudes is one of my favorite moments in the show.

And Ward has a drug problem, yes. Painkiller abuse primarily, and taking the magic dragon heroin has exacerbated the issue. And of course seeing a severed head on a stake clearly traumatized him.

edited 24th Sep '17 8:06:20 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#74909: Sep 24th 2017 at 8:08:59 PM

Scythe singing karaoke is the best scene of the entire netflix verse.

This episode has most of the dialogues I like in this show, such as Scythe: "Choose your weapon." IF: "I am the weapon." and basically everything out of Lei-Kung the Thunderer's mouth.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#74910: Sep 24th 2017 at 8:29:18 PM

This or the next episode are generally considered the turning point for the season. Me, I was just happy that we were actually getting something that felt somewhat like the kung fu movies I like to see.

And if they couldn't afford actual flashbacks, having Danny hallucinate Lei Kung and others from his past would have been a great solution. Hell, it would've been an amazing way to leave Danny's sanity an open question. Living on the streets for half the season, plagued by visions of a past which might or might not be a wholesale delusion, stuck in the psychiatric ward for a couple of episodes (even if it now looks like that's where Ward is going to end up instead, which would've been a great tradeoff), and only then getting his company back. Real conversations about homelessness and mental health, drawn-out legal battles and interpersonal wrangling to regain his company and his family, leading to a real sense of achievement once he finally gets to the end of the road.

What's frustrating is that all the pieces are still there, but so many of them get dropped before the season's even a third of the way done. Bakuto recruiting street kids for his gang would have made so much more thematic sense if it happened when Danny was still, y'know, living on the streets. Colleen pushing Danny away when he's at his most vulnerable makes no sense if her coincidental meeting with Danny was supposed to be her acting on her sensei's orders.

edited 24th Sep '17 8:53:02 PM by Unsung

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#74911: Sep 24th 2017 at 8:43:39 PM

I feel like Danny has the opposite problem Luke had. In addition to all of his other problems. Luke's issue was that he had a clear motive and goal, but was utterly passive about it. With Danny, there's no real motive or goal for him, but he's super-active in pursuing whatever's happening at a given moment.

Danny wants to be in charge of Rand! Well, no, he really doesn't. He only reclaimed his company out of spite because Ward and Joy kept snubbing him, and he constantly f*cks off and ignores the meetings.

Danny wants to destroy The Hand! Not really, no. Danny's supposed to destroy The Hand. It's not his personal goal, it's the goal that was beaten into him at a young age, and it's consistently depicted as a toxic influence in his life.

Danny doesn't really want anything. He's doing a lot of things, but not because they're his goal. He does them because they're happening in his vicinity. Scythe had a great line about how a weapon serves its master. Danny's retort that he's his own master falls incredibly flat, because he's really not. He's being wielded by Harold, by Lei-Kung, by the Triads and the chemist, but not by himself. He can't wield himself, because he has no idea what he would use himself to do.

He just moves from fight to fight, pursuing other people's goals while lacking any real motivation or purpose of his own.

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#74912: Sep 24th 2017 at 8:53:44 PM

That bit (Danny's seeming lack of a goal and aimlessness) I feel is entirely deliberate, going by comments on Finn Jones's part.

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#74913: Sep 24th 2017 at 8:55:32 PM

I mean, if that's the point then it's kinda stupid.

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#74914: Sep 24th 2017 at 8:59:17 PM

I think most of Danny's flaws are deliberate, but that doesn't make them any less annoying, because we're never really given a substantial reason to empathize with him other than it being his name on the show. Bad things apparently happened to him in the past, but in the present, which is all we're ever shown, he pretty much stumbles into one victory after another without really trying.

And if he was exceptionally charming, likable, or funny, that might be enough, but Finn Jones...isn't. Like, if he was Colleen or Joy and Ward's wacky neighbour, that might work. The Kramer of the Netflix MCU.

Part of me still gets the feeling that a lot of beats in the scripts for this show are being written as pseudo-semi-jokes that just don't land because they're filmed and acted in total earnest.

edited 24th Sep '17 9:04:08 PM by Unsung

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#74915: Sep 24th 2017 at 9:01:39 PM

Kind of wish I could weigh in on the IF discussion because I have a lot to say on the subject of "unlikable" protagonists, but I haven't even finished DD season 1 lol. I should probably get on that.

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#74916: Sep 24th 2017 at 9:04:14 PM

Draghinazzo liveblog when.

edited 24th Sep '17 9:04:28 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#74917: Sep 24th 2017 at 10:12:37 PM

Yeah wasn't the heroin supposed to not have any negative side effects? Why is Ward suffering from withdrawal from it?

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#74918: Sep 24th 2017 at 10:17:47 PM

It's still immensely addictive. What would even be the point of selling a drug if you couldn't hook your customers on it? That's kind of the whole point.

And I forget, does it have "no negative effects" or is it just tolerance-proof?

edited 24th Sep '17 10:18:08 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#74919: Sep 24th 2017 at 10:19:20 PM

Yeah wasn't the heroin supposed to not have any negative side effects? Why is Ward suffering from withdrawal from it?

Because The Hand are assholes, I'm guessing.

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#74920: Sep 24th 2017 at 10:23:45 PM

The negative side effects it doesn't have are that you can't OD and you can't build up a tolerance, I think. It's definitely not supposed to be any less addictive. The lack of increasing tolerance seems like it wouldn't all that great from a drug-dealing perspective, since junkies who've built up a tolerance will need to buy more of the drug, but either the writers didn't consider that or Gao cares more about keeping people hooked than getting their money— which I could see, though again, them having shorter highs and needing more of the drug seems like it might make them more loyal.

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#74921: Sep 24th 2017 at 11:09:02 PM

"I look forward to Danny fisting him." This is the greatest sentence in every commentary I've ever seen.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#74922: Sep 25th 2017 at 3:08:34 AM

As I said before, I think that Danny's flaws are meant to be flaws, but where the writers dropped the ball is making the audience feel sympathy with him due to the terrible way his childhood and trauma is handled.

The Karaoke scene is the best in the whole Netflix verse!!! It is totally over-the-top, but I love it. I wish the fight had been better...in terms of fights, the first one was actually the best imho. Anyway, I hope they bring Karaoke guy back!

The episode feels a little bit out of place with the overall tone of the show...it might be closer to what an Iron Fist should be like, though. I like them embracing the craziness a little bit, I just wish it were better set up and that the sets would fit the whole mood. (and really, one day I want a scene where Danny is in some sort of courtyard getting attacked from all sides).

I also give the show props for addressing drug consume in the white collar world. The narrative is always that druggies are people who live practically on the street and commit crimes. That drug abuse is just as much a problem between the rich, especially in the corporate world, is often ignored.

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#74923: Sep 25th 2017 at 7:26:18 AM

The negative side effects it doesn't have are that you can't OD and you can't build up a tolerance, I think. It's definitely not supposed to be any less addictive. The lack of increasing tolerance seems like it wouldn't all that great from a drug-dealing perspective, since junkies who've built up a tolerance will need to buy more of the drug, but either the writers didn't consider that or Gao cares more about keeping people hooked than getting their money— which I could see, though again, them having shorter highs and needing more of the drug seems like it might make them more loyal.

That, yes. It prevents you from developing a tolerance for it, which means one hit will be sufficient forever. This, in and of itself, makes it a healthier drug than alcohol, and significantly better than many illegal substances.

Which is why nobody in the criminal underworld would ever buy Gao's drug. She would have doors slammed in her face left and right, because junkies building up a tolerance and needing more/harder stuff is how dealers make their money.

She would, however, find a prospective buyer in the form of the healthcare industry. Because this drug would be so easy to wean junkies off onto, it would make the perfect rehabilitation tool. Depending on whether the addictive qualities are chemical or simply habitual - an important distinction with narcotics - it could also have potential as a replacement for medical marijuana.

This drug is awful at crime because it defeats the purpose of selling drugs in the first place, but could have massive benefits for society as a whole via prescription and/or over-the-counter sales. It wouldn't be hard to do so, either, because we've already established that despite being called "special heroin", there's nothing illegal about it.

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#74924: Sep 25th 2017 at 7:55:33 AM

I disagree....this is pretty much the perfect drug for the upper class. It doesn't rot your brain, it doesn't make you unable to work (and earn the cash you need to pay for your next shot) and if you don't take it you get terrible withdrawal symptoms, This is pretty much perfect, because it ensures that your customer will always be able to pay for the next shot, while also being unable to quit your product like, ever. And you don't have to go through the annoying process of hooking your customer which bigger and bigger doses because he is addicted the moment he takes his first shot.

edited 25th Sep '17 7:56:53 AM by Swanpride

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#74925: Sep 25th 2017 at 8:39:41 AM

That's what I was going to say. This is a high-class drug, as demonstrated by the high-class women marketing it. The drug dealers will be able to charge a higher price for a smaller volume of the drug. Yeah, their customers won't be buying quite as much volume, but they won't be dying in back alleys either, which means they'll be buying for longer.

They could even continue selling this alongside regular heroin. "Oh, you've built up such a tolerance that you need half a kilo just to get your fix? Well how about you try this now?"

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