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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

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#74551: Sep 12th 2017 at 10:58:17 PM

The shares would pass to next of kin by default, yes, but that's Danny. Who is also dead, legally speaking. It's suggested that there's no other kin in the picture during his homeless stay with Al, which means when Danny's legally declared dead, the estate defaults to state ownership. The state then does not hold onto it in the thin hope that maybe Danny will come back to life some day. They liquidate and life moves on for everyone.

If there was a next of kin in the picture owning 51% of the company, then Ward wouldn't be concerned about Danny because he'd already be answering to Patricia Rand, Danny's second-cousin. That he's even concerned about this at all suggests that there is no other Rand who currently holds ownership over Danny's shares.

And the shares being willed to the company is gibberish. A company can't hold ownership of stock in itself. That would just be returning tons of stock to the company for free, which would cause a massive fluctuation in the stock market value.

The Meachums could have it if that was written into the will, but if it was willed to the Meachums, Danny has no legal claim to it. The will supercedes kinship. If Ward's sitting on Danny's parents' stock, then Ward gets to keep it forever and Danny is welcome to go get f*cked.

After being legally dead for a decade and a half, there is no avenue by which Danny could ever regain his family's stock ownership. It's gone forever. You don't get a refund on your family assets several years after they defaulted to state ownership.

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#74552: Sep 12th 2017 at 11:02:56 PM

Well, as the series continues past episode two and Danny is not a Kung Fu Hobo, I think you're just going to have to accept that the writers didn't pore extensively over business law before writing the script.

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#74553: Sep 12th 2017 at 11:04:50 PM

This is inheritance law, not business law. tongue

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#74554: Sep 12th 2017 at 11:05:20 PM

Not stocks returning to the corporation directly, but rather to people in the company, or held in a trust— who knows, really. Definitely not the writers. But the necessary legal wrangling could exist in some eldritch, incomprehensible form, right? If somebody really, really wanted to set it up that way, and was willing to have their lawyers draft and file whatever needed to be drafted, that level of contingency could technically exist, couldn't it? I don't really mean to argue that it makes a lot of real-world sense, but it's the premise of the show and the character and it's not going away now. I'm just looking for solutions, because this is happening, one way or another.

Not that the show even seems all that invested in its own corporate drama, seeing as they just give the shares back to Danny in the fourth or fifth episode. And then the board gets removed/killed, so even that layer of corporate intrigue falls by the wayside.

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#74555: Sep 12th 2017 at 11:09:05 PM

Oh, I'm sure it's happening. I'm just reserving the right to call shenanigans.

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#74556: Sep 13th 2017 at 6:43:30 AM

Considering that the bodies have never been found, Danny and his parents have most likely not official been declared dead yet. Usually there is a time span of something between 10 to 20 years (depending on the state/country in question) until you can declare someone who is missing officially dead. The shares should be in some sort of trust and it is very possible that either Joy and Ward or the company itself is the "heir" so to speak.

This is actually why Steve should be filthy rich. As a lot of people have pointed out, he went missing in action, meaning during all the time he was in the ice he should have gotten his pay with the usual raises in rank he would get while being active taken into consideration. The US government owes him a LOT of back pay.

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#74557: Sep 13th 2017 at 8:09:51 AM

They waited in fear that he would ever think to collect.

Until he made an outlaw of himself and then they took a bath in his backpay, giggling the whole while.

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#74558: Sep 13th 2017 at 8:36:31 AM

[up][up] It's seven. Prior to seven years, a person can't be declared legally dead without proof of demise. Seven years is the cutoff; after that point, you're named dead and all the subsequent procedures go into effect.

Some states have it at five, but seven is the generally accepted length a person can be missing before they're proclaimed dead in the United States.

At 7+ years, legally coming back to life is a bureaucratic nightmare. Danny has to provide incontrovertible legal proof that he is who he claims. DNA testing, fingerprinting, something that establishes beyond a shadow of a doubt that this dead child from 15 years ago is, in fact, the man standing before the court.

I'm only on the first episode but I imagine that's going to be difficult for him, given that he had a conversation with Ward in this very episode in which Danny shot down suggestions of doing precisely that and asserted that there is no such proof that he could provide.

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#74560: Sep 13th 2017 at 8:34:04 PM

Iron Fist, Episode 2!

Danny's tied to a bed and can't go anywhere. This seems look a perfect opportunity to reflect on some backstory. I expected his flashbacks to be revealed through the talk with Joy, but this works too.

They left Danny's shoes on? What kind of hospital leave its patient's shoes on? That suggests they don't actually plan to keep him tied down for long, because if he was supposed to be here for weeks or months, they'd have taken off his shoes.

"You need to kill yourself. It's really the only solution for any of us." This guy's a patient, isn't he? <.< Mental patient masquerading as doctor is one of my favorite asylum twists. Nicely played, episode.

"So we're saints." "We're not bad guys, if that's what you think." Hail Hydra.

"I was meditating." "Is that something you do?" No, shit-for-brains, I never do that thing I just told you I do.

"Can you at least unstrap me?" "Are you going to behave?" Really. They had him tied down because he has a history of violence and now Dr. Shit-for-Brains is actually going to take him on his word that he's going to play nice? When he just confessed to having been trying to escape five seconds ago? Man, I hope Danny punches this guy because he is a bad doctor.

I idly wonder if Danny's mother will be showing up at some point. She was ripped out of the plane so she should by all rights be dead but that also means that Danny never actually saw her body. Danny himself is refusing to commit to the idea that she's clearly dead, so I feel like she's being set up to return at some point. Probably evil.

Someone made a fake passport for Danny? Either Ward clearly knows or his dad does, but someone's staged this to keep Danny here. Hail Hydra.

[lol] Nice fakeout with Colleen's students ambushing her. This is a fun scene.

"Will you apologize too?" "For what?" "For being alive." You know, patient dude is trying to make it seem like they use this place as an excuse to hold people indefinitely, but his argument is sorely undermined by how legitimately f*cked in the head everyone Danny interacts with seems to be. I'd like to hear the testimony of a not crazy person kept here against his will before I buy into this story.

"I looked you up at your dojo." "Why are you calling me?" Better question, how are you calling her? Do you mean to tell me that Danny committed her phone number to member after happening to spot it on that flier despite not having a phone or any reason to assume said number would be useful to him?

"I want you to go and talk to her. Find out what she knows." So Harold's got cameras installed in the asylum but can't tap the phones? If he had, he'd be aware that Colleen doesn't want anything to do with this and sending Ward to corroborate Danny's story might just be the thing that pushes her into involvement.

"I bought the passport in Morocco. It's stolen." …huh. Okay, so it is legit. Another curveball unswerved.

"It would be very helpful to us if you would be willing to sign some papers to attest that you felt threatened by him." Wow. Bridge too far, deadfish. Nice critfail on your Persuasion check. Maybe don't do anything that relies on a decent Charisma score in the future.

Seriously, he might as well have just gone, "I have nefarious plans for Danny because I am Hitler and Satan's love baby. Will you aid my evil plan? Hail Hydra!"

And then he goes for the bribe. Yeah, he really did just come down here to convince Colleen that Danny's a victim of the most hilariously one-dimensionally evil dumbshit in New York and she should probably go help him, didn't he? Subtlety, thy name is not Ward Meachum.

"Right after we shot this, we all went to the circus in Madison Square Garden." Perfect response to being shown the commercial.

"Ask him where he's been the last fifteen years. Ask him why he's suddenly come back now." I'm with Harold on this. Dr. Shit-For-Brains won't even entertain the possibility that Danny is, in fact, Danny Rand despite having no reason not to. At least Joy and Ward have the excuse of being emotionally charged about the subject matter, but this guy's just insistent about the idea that Danny's mentally ill.

The only evidence that Danny has any mental illness is the fact that he insists on being called Danny Rand. Shit-For-Brains is stuck in an assumptive loop; Danny can't be Danny because he's sick, which we know is true because he says he's Danny. I'd say he has to be being bribed to keep Danny here because he's so goddamn incompetent, but Harold's just as frustrated as I am so that probably isn't true. He's just a moron.

"Joy Meachum? … I wonder if I could ask you an odd question." There we go. Now he's starting to go in the right direction.

"That was an odd question. Why do you ask?" "I'm afraid I can't really say. Patient confidentiality." Huh. Good on you, Dr. Shit-For-Brains. Although Joy's statement does corroborate Danny's, he can't actually tell her that because he was in private session with Danny at the time. Nothing Danny says during those sessions can be disclosed outside of them. I was bagging on him earlier, but I'm actually kinda proud of him for being aware of that.

So the orderlies are clearly in Harold's pocket. The camera kept Harold out of sight while the orderly tied Danny down so that they could do the dramatic reveal of him sitting in the corner, but the orderly would have seen him. That means the orderly totally had to fasten the straps while pretending not to be weirded out by Harold awkwardly staring at Danny for several minutes.

"Do you remember that song I used to sing that would annoy the shit out of you?" "Danny Boy, right?" It's distressing that it took an episode and a half for anyone to try the "Do you remember a thing I remember?" method of identity verification. And that it had to be Harold who did it.

"I thought you were dead." "And I thought you were dead." I so want Quicksilver to kick in the door and just be like, "And everyone thought I was dead! Avengers 3, here I come!"

"Sworn enemy of The Hand." I like how this sounds like gibberish to Harold but the audience can immediately recognize it and be filled with dread. The Hand! We know who they are! They're coming! They're going to ruin another show!

"This is something you can do? You can destroy The Hand?" "I am the only one who can do it." Funny how Stick never mentioned any of this. When it comes to opposing The Hand, I don't think the right stick knows what the left fist is doing at all.

"Look up everything you can on the Iron Fist." Yeah, 'cause Google's going to bring you better luck on this than it did on that nonexistent monastery you were griping about earlier.

"Where did you go? (handprint)" Okay, that is legitimately creepy. Big points for that. The ninjas are here and are interested in Meachum. It's an especially nice touch that the message is on the outside of the glass. This is deliciously spooky and Harold's reaction really sells it.

I really like Colleen. She doesn't quite make up for Danny's whiteness on account of being a relatively minor character at least so far - I'd call her tertiary at best right now - but the presence of a legitimate Asian martial arts master is welcome. Even if she does totally discredit Marvel's paper-thin defense of both the Ancient One whitewashing and the refusal to Race Lift Danny.

"We can't have asian martial artists because we don't want to feed that stereotype about all Asian people being martial arts masters! They gotta be white!" "Well, do you have any Asian characters?" "For your information, we do! She's a martial arts master."

Wow, Ward's offering a $50,000 bribe for that signature. Fifty thousand. Do you know how much money that is?!

Not a lot, really. By crooked executive bribe standards, it's practically an insult. That's a year's salary for the average worker. Somewhere, Wilson Fisk is facepalming and he doesn't know why. Stick another zero on it and then it might be worth considering.

"You got a visitor!" Worst timing, Colleen. I wouldn't trust those M&Ms not to go missing if Danny isn't around to watch them.

"Wait a minute, Danny Rand as in Rand Enterprises?" Why does everyone know that? This is the Remember the New Guy? of corporations. In none of the other shows or movies taking place in New York has Rand Enterprises ever been mentioned, but everyone acts like Danny's the heir to the Google throne.

"The Meachums are trying to bribe me." "They got plenty of money." Not enough if this is the best they can do.

"One last favor. … Deliver these to Joy Meachum." Oh, good, he finished sorting them. I'm guessing that's something from their childhood. Another "Do you remember the thing I remember?" test.

"Joy, I'm sorry, but a bunch of M&Ms doesn't prove anything." I'm dismayed that Joy was so distracted by them that she didn't read the papers Colleen returned. Then she could see how one-dimensionally evil her brother is. Hail F*cking Hydra.

"It exists in another dimension." Probably should have stopped at monastery, Danny, 'cause now you sound crazy again.

"Can I go now?" No, Danny. You can't. He believes you're Danny Rand but that doesn't actually preclude you from being unstable. You've been smart and not talked about Kun L'un to him up to this point but now, right on the verge of release, you decided to mouth off about it. Great job. [lol]

"Sometimes when our circumstances are too overwhelming to deal with, we create a false reality." This feels like a missed opportunity, to be honest. They're playing coy with the reality of Danny's experience in Kun L'un, which suggests they want to make it kind of ambiguous as to whether or not all of that really happened. In both the first and second episodes, it feels like the show wants there to be a story thread about whether what Danny says is real or not.

There's a sense of mystery and intrigue, but that mystery is f*cked and the intrigue unintriguing because we already know about The Hand. Even if we didn't, the clear evidence left on Harold's window is pretty convincing. The writers want us to question Danny's sanity despite making it clear in no uncertain terms that he is absolutely sane and there is no reason to ever question anything that comes out of his mouth.

I wish there was more of a mystery to this mystery, is basically what I'm saying. This show had a chance to make us question what was real, a chance to play with the possibility of an Unreliable Narrator, a chance to really explore the nature of sanity and what it is to come from a different way of viewing reality than everyone else. It took it out back next to the chance to explore the homeless experience and shot this one too.

We're two episodes in now and I'm not actually sure what this show's even supposed to be about. We've got our good guy, we've got some bad guys, and some stuff has happened, but I have a better understanding of what it's not about than what it actually is about.

Whatever it is, I sincerely hope it's not The Hand.

"What I'd like for you to do is to open yourself to the possibility that there is no Iron Fist." Yeah, and what I'd like for you to do is to give the audience a reason to be open to the same. But that ship's already sailed.

Looking at the handprint on the glass, I would actually say that the handprint isn't even the problem here. The problem is actually DareDevil. If the show did a better job of framing this as though Danny legitimately could be crazy, that handprint would be a bit of suspense. If we'd been led to discount Danny as an unreliable narrator by this point, the handprint could shake our perception of the internal reality of the show.

But it doesn't because we know Danny's right. We know The Hand is a thing. We know that because we've been given no reason to ever doubt a single thing he says - there is nothing unreliable about this narrator, when this kind of story really needs there to be - but we also know that due to DareDevil. DareDevil already blew the secret Ninja conspiracy wad, so there's nothing suspenseful about it. Instead of "HOLY SHIT, where did that print come from, what does this mean?!", we're just left going, "Oh, hey, the magic ninjas found Harold."

A mystery isn't interesting if the audience is told the answer ahead of time.

"Dad. Why. Why are we protecting him." Man, Ward sure was excited that it was time to kill Danny and he sure is pissed off that they aren't killing Danny. I was wrong before when I said you could replace his dialogue with "NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH". I mean, you still can, but he also has to be doing the Anakin child-murder angry stare while doing it. He's just so excited to whine at you about how pointlessly evil he is.

I wonder if Ward pops by the puppy orphanage on the way home from work so he can get in some kicking practice every day.

Ooo, he had to take a pill after getting off the phone. I wonder if that's medication for his Chronic Backstabbing Disorder.

Nice fakeout with Danny being moved. Harold said to put him somewhere safe, so Ward tries to have him killed. Guess that was CBD medication after all. Didn't kick in fast enough for this particular flare up.

I like how subtle the graphics on the Iron Fist are. A simple glow under the skin.

I half-expected Danny to be so excited and yet so medicated that he promptly passed out in the destroyed doorway after punching it open. That would have been hilarious.

So this was a better episode than the last, but once again, I feel like they passed over a perfectly good premise for the series in favor of whatever they're actually doing. Worse, I have a hunch now that what they're doing is "Those f*cking magic ninjas again," even though the fact that they are the absolute worst thing in any of the Netflix shows is already well-documented. The magic ninjas suck. We already know that.

Right now, Harold's the most interesting thing in the show for me. I'm not sure why he faked his death and that's a genuinely intriguing mystery. Watching him discovering all of this is fun, and I'm curious about where he plans to go with it. I kinda want him to be the main character. <.<;;

Also, for the second episode in a row, Danny continues to be white.

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#74561: Sep 13th 2017 at 8:52:07 PM

Basically everything in the show is actually not too bad except for Danny. What's your opinion on Jones's acting so far?

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#74562: Sep 13th 2017 at 9:20:42 PM

The good news is that the Hand is a lot better here than they were in Daredevil. There's still a lot of cryptic-unanswered-questions bullshit to lead into Defenders, but they're a lot more nuanced this time around and we get some glimpse into their internal politics.

And that whole "I'm Danny Rand" "No you're not, you're crazy" "Here's proof I'm Danny Rand" "Wow, you are Danny Rand, and you're not crazy" "Also I was raised by monks to harness my chi in an extradimensional-" "Okay you are Danny Rand but you're also crazy." exchange is honestly one of my favorite things about Iron Fist.

And Harold is a really good character. Very underrated in my opinion.

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#74563: Sep 13th 2017 at 9:21:58 PM

So far, he's done a good job. I would prefer a minority actor to have his role, but that doesn't mean he's not doing well enough at it.

Musing further on Colleen, I'm not sure how I feel about her just yet. I mentioned that she feels like a tertiary character and I wanted to expand on that. Everyone else has a reason for being involved in this plot in some way, but so far, her only connection is that she met Danny once and then he started stalking her.

This episode pretty well highlighted that issue. Her involvement is that Danny called her and asked her to help him and she refused. Then Ward showed up and asked her to help him instead and she refused. Nobody got helped, none of her scenes amounted to anything, and then she finally contributed something at the very end by acting as a glorified mailperson.

She really just popped in to remind us that she still exists. And that makes sense because nothing that is happening has anything whatsoever to do with her. Her one very frail connection to the story is that Danny's a creep and won't leave her alone. He's just sitting on the dock casting plot hooks in her direction hoping that if he tosses enough, eventually she'll give one a bite.

It's not a great way to introduce a character.

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#74564: Sep 13th 2017 at 9:25:30 PM

[up]What's wrong with the magic ninjas?

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#74565: Sep 13th 2017 at 9:29:12 PM

I think he's referring to how the Hand were treated in Daredevil season 2.

I haven't seen it myself yet but almost everyone has told me that it wasn't that they were ninjas that was the problem, it was that they were boring and so one-dimensional it came off as a racist caricature.

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#74566: Sep 13th 2017 at 9:33:59 PM

A racist caricature that was also super boring and uninteresting, which is not a great way to describe half of a series.

DD suffered from having a really interesting first half with the Punisher followed by a really bland and uninteresting second half with The Hand, which amounted more or less to Matt punching ninjas for eight hours.

Also, the racist caricature thing really wasn't helped by the fact that there is precisely one sympathetic character associated with The Hand in DD's second season, and he just happens to be the only white guy involved with the organization.

I will grant that it's really hard to make The Hand interesting, premised as they are upon endless hordes of undead mooks and the occasional one-dimensional Generic Doomsday Villain, but DareDevil Season Two did not rise to the challenge.

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#74567: Sep 13th 2017 at 9:36:17 PM

DD s2 has a really lopsided quality. It really doesn't gel as a continuous series.

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#74568: Sep 13th 2017 at 9:36:53 PM

They're pretty much just zombies in ninja costumes, which is fucked up because all the other ethnic stereotype gangs on Daredevil at least got something in the way of personality. The Hand also presided over some of that series' worst action scenes, which is a travesty given what that show is capable of. Hordes of ninjas, I get the appeal. But if they're all untrained extra running around with their swords in the air? Not a good use of time or money.

That redheaded lady from the last episode gets more lines than Nobu. What was that about? Spoilers for Tobias. Bear in mind this is also before Gao was established to be a member of the Hand. I don't think she was originally going to be.

The Hand are in fact better-utilized in Iron Fist than in Daredevil, I will give them that. It's not a high bar to clear, but it's something. I'd even say they were more interesting in IF than in The Defenders. The Defenders has a lot of other things going for it, but I thought the Hand themselves were a weak link.

edited 13th Sep '17 9:38:11 PM by Unsung

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#74569: Sep 14th 2017 at 12:48:00 AM

I said it before, but it bears repeating: The biggest problem the Netflix shows have is not Iron Fist, it is the whole Matt/Elektra/Karen plot from the second half of Daredevil season 2. It is a miracle that Iron Fist actually managed to take that mess and made something potentially interesting out of it...just for the Defenders to go and lean full into the Daredevil nonsense, ruining all the good work Iron Fist did along the way.

Anyway, I was actually a little bit iffy on Coleen during the first episodes, too. She wasn't a bad character, but she also wasn't a particularly layered character. I think those in the know can guess which episode changed my mind.

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#74570: Sep 14th 2017 at 4:40:42 AM

Zombie Ninjas are honestly a fucking cool idea and I have no problem with that. My issue with the Hand is that they became Hydra-lite over the course of their appearances, and couldn't make their ancient conspiracy interesting enough to back it up.

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#74571: Sep 14th 2017 at 5:02:01 AM

Zombie ninjas is an interesting concept if it went any further than that, but it really doesn't. Like, there was a pretty episode to be had around the notion of Daredevil being stalked by ninjas he couldn't sense but that power the ninjas had was discarded almost as soon as it was introduced. Also, despite being effectively immortal, Conservation of Ninjutsu is in full effect, and the ninjas all go down like chumps, unlike the Dogs of Hell or the Russians. It just ends up being a wasted opportunity.

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#74572: Sep 14th 2017 at 5:16:56 AM

Speaking of the Hand, I didn't notice until Tobias brought it up, but what's the point of the Chaste if the Iron Fist is already being trained to stop them? It will be like if Fury assembled the Avengers to fight Loki and the Chitauri only for the Silver Surfer to show up and reveal he was prophesized to defeat them.

I guess the MCU got so much mileage out of Hydra being behind everything they decided it would work again with the Hand.

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#74573: Sep 14th 2017 at 5:22:30 AM

The Chaste are the personal army of the Iron Fist. Presumably, they were meant to combat the numbers of the Hand's mook army.

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#74574: Sep 14th 2017 at 5:23:17 AM

Tobias hasn't gotten to this point, but it seems like Danny wasn't really trained to bring an end to the Hand, but to guard against them returning to K'un-Lun. Then again, we don't know why the other Fists were sent out into the world to be killed by Alexandra and the others. Maybe the Fist eventually does reach a point where they can lead the Chaste in battle against the Hand, and Danny simply hadn't reached that point in his training. Guess we'll never know, with K'un-Lun destroyed and the Chaste killed to the last man.</irony>

edited 14th Sep '17 5:24:12 AM by Unsung

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#74575: Sep 14th 2017 at 6:27:35 AM

The Chaste were really bad at their job. I wanna blame Stick

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