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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#74426: Sep 11th 2017 at 9:46:01 AM

I wonder who'd be a good choice to play Jack Kirby?

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#74428: Sep 11th 2017 at 10:40:09 AM

You know, Stan Lee would be fun and all but I was thinking that a Jack Kirby bio pic would be a lot more interesting. The guy both wrote and drew his own comics and was also a war vet. Not to diminish Lee's influence, but he was surrounded by a lot of equally talented people who were not quite as good at promoting themselves.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#74429: Sep 11th 2017 at 10:53:52 AM

Not just a war vet, he served in Patton's Third Army, and nearly lost his legs to frostbite during the war.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#74430: Sep 11th 2017 at 11:00:21 AM

Shouldn't every movie about either of them automatically feature both?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#74431: Sep 11th 2017 at 11:20:29 AM

Hurricane Irma is forcing productions on some MCU movies to shut down. Stupid hurricane...sad

Yes, that is truly the tragedy here.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#74433: Sep 11th 2017 at 11:31:12 AM

I know. I was just fooling around. Hoping anyone here in the affected area is safe, btw.

edited 11th Sep '17 11:31:32 AM by comicwriter

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#74435: Sep 11th 2017 at 6:42:56 PM

Turns out Ego wasn't the only living planet.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#74436: Sep 11th 2017 at 7:18:11 PM

The poor bastard wouldn't have been alone after all.

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#74437: Sep 11th 2017 at 7:58:06 PM

Well due to my cable being out today I decided to watch some DVD's and I rewatched Civil War and Doctor Strange for the first time in a while. The former still reasonably holds up to me despite some grumbles (Gonna agree with that one guy here who hated Hawkeye's ranting towards Tony in that one scene) but holy shit I forgot how great the fights are, while the latter is a lot more dull and bland than I remembered it being. I am still not a big fan of Doctor Strange outside of maybe the special effects in a couple of scenes, it's arguably the blandest of Marvel's movies. Like, it's totally a fucking Iron Man clone like Ant-Man, but Ant-Man was a little bit more interesting in how it did it. Plus, ya know, still pissed about the Ancient One bullshit so there's that.

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#74438: Sep 11th 2017 at 8:14:40 PM

Okay, so around late August, people have been posting a leaked video of Infinity War part 1. Quality, as usual, isn't great...

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#74439: Sep 11th 2017 at 8:23:57 PM

Is it, like, a full movie?

If so, I urge that we don't discuss it here.

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VoidsEmpathy Emissary of the Void from Realm of In-Between Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
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#74440: Sep 11th 2017 at 8:41:56 PM

No, just the trailer from D23.

And I won't link it either.

edited 11th Sep '17 8:42:16 PM by VoidsEmpathy

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#74441: Sep 11th 2017 at 8:43:05 PM

Oh.

Yeah, I've watched that, actually.

It's pretty hype.

edited 11th Sep '17 8:43:17 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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VoidsEmpathy Emissary of the Void from Realm of In-Between Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Emissary of the Void
#74442: Sep 11th 2017 at 8:44:00 PM

It's insane that may is not that far off.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#74443: Sep 11th 2017 at 9:56:55 PM

The thing that really turned me off with Strange, like to the point where I was actively annoyed and angry for the second time ever at a Marvel movie (the first time was Ao U), was the fact that yet again, despite this being based around a magical character who shoots magic energy blasts and has spells and has to think and study, all of the fight scenes were the same homogenized non-specific martial art that sometimes has weapons in it that T'Challa, Steve, Bucky, Clint, Natasha, Matt, Danny, Bobbi, and basically every other hand-to-hand combatant except for Peter Parker used.

edited 11th Sep '17 11:00:16 PM by SonOfSharknado

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#74444: Sep 11th 2017 at 10:41:14 PM

I've mentioned before that there are some weird parallels between Dr. Strange and the Green Lantern movie, and one of those is the fact that despite the aforementioned point of being a magic character with spells and energy blasts, Strange's primary method of combat in the film is to create glowing energy constructs similar to the Lantern ring powerset.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#74445: Sep 11th 2017 at 10:47:59 PM

Doctor Strange has great actors, remarkable special effects and some interesting directing choices, but it really, really has a weak script, and there is nothing which can punch up a movie with a weak script to outstanding. Sadly Marcus and Mc Feely don't have enough time to write the whole MCU.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#74446: Sep 11th 2017 at 10:59:20 PM

Hell, at least the Green Lantern would have made projectile weapons! These all-powerful magicians were making fuckin'... tiny Cap shields and Mulan fans and whips and clubs and... and it was just dumb! The action was so dumb and dull and uninspired but it tried to distract you from it with a fuckin' kaleidoscope and Inception city-folding! Inception! From 2010!

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#74447: Sep 11th 2017 at 11:03:32 PM

Strange had a lot of major story leaps that just weren't earned. Strange spends five minutes outside the monastery moaning to let him in, and Mondo tells the Ancient One he has a lot of commitment and strength. By all accounts he is a novice to magic, yet manages to fight multiple experienced users (hopped up on essentially magical PCP) who handily killed several Sanctum masters already. He is appointed Master of the New York Sanctum because he was nearby, rather than actually proving his worth to the magical society. And I think that's the main problem with the film, all that matters is that Strange hits those origin story marks and the rest of the world revolves around only him. It's present in much of the MCU, but especially notable here.

The special effects, while quite pretty, didn't really amount to anything. The opening scene showed the kind of innovation possible with the premise of a kaleidoscope-shifting terrain, whereas the big New York folding set piece was basically just bouncing off walls until they reach a platform to have a martial arts fight. Even the Ancient One's death was underwhelming, as instead of being outmatched or outsmarted in magic it was essentially a "What the hell is that!" cheap shot.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#74448: Sep 11th 2017 at 11:06:50 PM

[up] I feel like Strange was waiting for a considerably longer time than 5 minutes, from what I remember. Fair criticism otherwise.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#74449: Sep 11th 2017 at 11:10:53 PM

If the film started the same year as Iron Man (maybe something like a thing on the news saying that Tony Stark was going to Afghanistan tomorrow to unveil his big new murder-weapon and a panel discussing the morality of overwhelming force in the hands of a drunken nihilist), and then we showed Stephen spending years and years studying in isolation in Kamar Taj, it would feel more like Stephen's progress was earned (you could even have a bit of a gag with him picking up a newspaper, screwing up his face and saying "What the fuck is an Avenger?" or something to that effect).

But because we don't know that any time has passed other than "a while", nothing about Stephen feels real and it doesn't feel like he's part of some new, magical world. This lack of a transition or a divide between these two lifestyles isn't helped by the fact that Kamar Taj itself doesn't seem like it wants to separate that much. Bits like "The wifi password, we're not savages" and Wong listening to Beyonce on an iPod are cute, but they come at the cost of not really making it feel like Stephen has gone anywhere out of the way or mystical, he's just gone to some weird-ass, overly-specific trade school. Because of this, Stephen himself doesn't feel all that mystical, which is the greatest crime of all. This guy is supposed to be the Sorcerer Supreme (except not, because why make the character the most obvious thing he's known for?) but he doesn't feel like a powerful magic-user, he just feels like a guy. Even using the Time St- the Eye of Agamott- the MacGuffin of interchangeable intent didn't feel like Stephen mastering a magical spell as much as it felt like him exploiting a loophole in a contract or using a watch in a funny way.

Like, I will never, in a million years, be able to imagine Cumberstrange saying "By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth!", which is the biggest sin of this entire movie.

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#74450: Sep 11th 2017 at 11:11:41 PM

Should've had a Time Skip. Or several. (...Hundred.)

Should've had Strange spend years at the monastery, 2007 to 2016, like he was a remedial GED student going to Hogwarts I mean Kamar-Taj (or, as I've mentioned, any place in the world, they're wizards and crisscrossing the planet with teleportals is a major point in the script from the very first scene).. Should've had him spend subjective decades (...centuries) locked in combat with Dormammu, putting everything he'd learned into practice, and coming out a grizzled master of the mystic arts, having really *earned* it.

[up][nja] Pretty much how I felt when I came out of the movie and looked around the Doctor Strange thread, yeah.

edited 11th Sep '17 11:18:12 PM by Unsung


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