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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#74176: Aug 30th 2017 at 10:48:31 PM

People do not behave perfectly logically.

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#74177: Aug 30th 2017 at 10:53:48 PM

I think this is one of those things where we have more knowledge about the film's rules than the characters. We know the gunwielder in the movie will just hold up their victim and not shoot right away because we've seen it so many times. So it's easy to say there that us in that situation would try to fight back. But when one gets put in that situation in real life... well, our life doesn't have a script and we have no idea what the gunwielder will do. Sometimes the bloke's finger is twitchy. Sometimes they're get scared off without firing a shot by getting sex toys thrown at them.

edited 30th Aug '17 10:55:26 PM by Tuckerscreator

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#74178: Aug 30th 2017 at 10:58:32 PM

Pete knew what they were going to do. He knows Mama Mabel. The only thing that seemed to surprise him about it was that she had Cornell pull the gun on him.

In real life, you don't treat having a gun pulled on you as a joke. Any time a gun is pointed at a person, it is a threat on their life. Even if the gun's unloaded. Even if the safety is on. If you point a gun at a person at any time, ever, you are communicating the intent to kill that person. Consequentially, if a person points a gun at you, it should be taken as a deliberate intent to kill you and responded to accordingly.

If Pete was holding out for Mama Mabel to go, "LOLZ, it was all a prank! We cool, bro," then he's a pretty shitty criminal because he has undoubtedly been in this exact situation plenty of times, but from the other side of the trigger.

edited 30th Aug '17 10:58:49 PM by TobiasDrake

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#74179: Aug 30th 2017 at 11:01:22 PM

[up][up]And sometimes they just give you the gun.

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#74180: Aug 30th 2017 at 11:02:40 PM

I expected a picture of Wesley.

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#74181: Aug 30th 2017 at 11:06:50 PM

Notably, the difference between the situation with Karen and the one with Pete is that Wesley wanted information out of Karen. This was an interrogation. She had a legitimate reason to believe she had a chance of walking away alive as well as a method by which to buy time searching for an option.

When Mabel took Pete out into the backyard, it was clear to every party involved that this was an execution. She took him to the yard to die. Both his behavior and hers in the preceding scene make this abundantly clear. Consequentially, he had nothing to lose by fighting.

edited 30th Aug '17 11:07:11 PM by TobiasDrake

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#74182: Aug 30th 2017 at 11:11:01 PM

You can try and fight, and maybe that's the right call for certain people (like it was with Misty and Perez earlier in the season), but Pete strikes me as not being especially strong-willed to begin with, with his main asset (as he seems to think himself) being his charm. So yeah, he's going to try and talk his way out of this. That's his way of fighting. Maybe if he wasn't going up against the iron will of Mama Mabel Stokes, he'd have something there.

A lot of people don't have the courage, discipline, situational awareness or grip strength to think they could wrest the gun away from a shooter without getting shot. They don't want to get shot, so they keep hoping for another possibility to present itself. Maybe that's dumb, but hoping for the cops to bust down the door or a car to come crashing through a wall might still *seem* better than putting the gun to your own head, when you're scared out of your mind and barely keeping it together.

Plus Pete might not want to risk young Cornell's life in the resulting scuffle. I think that's possible. He's clearly scum, but he might not be all scum, not quite. He did seem to genuinely want to get Cornell out of that life.

edited 30th Aug '17 11:28:45 PM by Unsung

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#74183: Aug 30th 2017 at 11:19:35 PM

The last thing I want from Captain America 5: Captain Harder is for Cap to spend the whole movie drinking coffee while somewhere, a bad guy slips on a banana peel and shoots himself in the face.

Is it wrong that I kind of want that to happen now? tongue

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#74184: Aug 30th 2017 at 11:20:49 PM

Yes.

That movie is supposed to be about Wolverine and DareDevil eating BLT sandwiches. Brian Michael Bendis promised us this.

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#74185: Aug 30th 2017 at 11:42:59 PM

So, basically the original live-action The Tick series?

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#74186: Aug 31st 2017 at 4:55:35 AM

I feel like, as much as I loved Mahershala Ali's performance as Stokes, he's overrated compared to other TV villains

He definitely is, and episode 7 showed why. Like I said before, Cottonmouth is like so much because of his actor. Nothing he did on the show towards Luke specifically mattered, and his ultimate takedown has nothing to do with Luke either so it can't really be because he was a great villain. I really think he's only talked up so much because most people thought Diamondback was a worse villain in comparison.

Cottonmouth ins't bad, but he's no Kingpin and certainly no Purple Man. The guy is right next to Iron Monger and Yellowjacket on the "Okay" tier.

edited 31st Aug '17 5:02:38 AM by VeryMelon

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#74187: Aug 31st 2017 at 5:18:10 AM

From what it sounds like they're not going to just turn Molly into an Inhuman. Thank goodness. Also it seems like they're going all out with Old Lace which pleases me greatly.

Me too. I would've been so pissed if they'd made her a damn Inhuman.

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#74188: Aug 31st 2017 at 5:38:17 AM

Ironmonger sucked, but Obadiah was pretty cool.

And no, Cottonmouth isn't the knockout heavy that Kingpin or Kilgrave are, but I think that was by design, probably to contrast his human weakness with the more overtly comic-book Diamondback. And that could have worked, but the problem I had with Diamondback was the opposite— having just had all this quality time with Stokes and Mariah, I just wasn't getting into Diamondback's stagier qualities. Up to that point the show had been very grounded, and Diamondback just shoots off into the stratosphere the moment he appears. That could have maybe worked if anyone else had followed him, if the other performances had gotten more heightened to match, but as it is, he's just kind of doing his own thing. He does it well, but it felt disconnected, whereas everyone else was a part of Harlem. There's probably a metaphor in that.

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#74189: Aug 31st 2017 at 5:49:39 AM

Shit, Luke Cage is so cool that actual real-world celebrity Nicholas Cage chose his stage name as a reference to it. I hope Cage gets a cameo in Luke Cage one of these seasons.

There'd be nothing left of the set if he did[lol]

The execution of Cornell's uncle is…this is something I've never understood in all the TV and movies I've seen. Why don't people fight? When they're being marched to their death, why don't they fight? Cornell's uncle just does what he's told, goes outside, and tries to argue with Cornell. Why doesn't he fight?

Maybe he's not a fighter?

You know, for a chunk of the franchise that advertises itself as being darker and grittier, the Netflix shows sure are terrified of letting their heroes dirty their hands.

Well, Jessica did kill Kilgrave and the only reason it took so long was because she needed him alive to prove Hope's innocence.

Then again, we're not supposed to see Jessica as being as heroic as Luke or Matt.

I mean, Luke Cage killing Cornell would still make him a murderer. He's already a fugitive who doesn't want to draw the attention he's already getting, and he's a guy who refuses to swear, so you can see why he's not okay with killing.

Pretty sure Luke has swore either in his show or Jessica's.

edited 31st Aug '17 6:17:09 AM by windleopard

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#74190: Aug 31st 2017 at 7:11:34 AM

In the episodes I've seen so far, Luke has sworn a few times, but always apologizes to Pop and pays the swear jar. Even after the latter's death. A lot of emphasis has been placed on Luke's efforts to protect that swear jar. It's an element I really like, because of how real it is. When you lose someone, you do what you can to keep what's left of them close to your heart.

I've got my dog's collar in a glass case that lived in the back of my car until it was totalled, and will be put into my next car when I can afford one. The picture of my cat who got sick and had to be put down is the home screen of my phone. My other cat who was hit by a car is the lock screen. My uncle passed away recently and I got his work coat.

I get Luke's attachment to that Swear Jar. It's not very rational, especially with the lengths he's gone to protect it, but that's how much Pop meant to him.

edited 31st Aug '17 7:12:03 AM by TobiasDrake

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#74191: Aug 31st 2017 at 7:16:28 AM

Nostalgia Chick weights in on Got G Vol. 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VulkN5OLEM

Kind of surprising, because she usually doesn't review the MCU. But she has a number of really good points concerning the themes of Got G Vol. 2 (which, I have to admit, I like more and more with every watch).

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#74192: Aug 31st 2017 at 7:40:49 AM

The only time I've ever seen her talk about the MCU was when she said something on twitter about Age of Ultron embodying most of the franchise' problems.

Video should be interesting.

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#74193: Aug 31st 2017 at 7:42:36 AM

She'd also criticized Winter Soldier for the Nazi twist as well.

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#74194: Aug 31st 2017 at 9:38:44 AM

What with recent events, the complaint that Winter Soldier kills the debate by having one side just be literal Nazis is losing weight, given how it's Truth in Television.

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#74195: Aug 31st 2017 at 10:11:21 AM

She clarified fairly recently on Twitter that her issue with it isn't "suddenly Nazis" but that she thinks having a secret conspiracy undercuts the conflict (a charge she also leveled at Zootopia)

I can see what she means, but I think it's a Necessary Weasel for conspiracies in the political thriller genre, ever since Watergate. The Winter Soldier is basically Three Days of the Condor with superheroes.

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#74196: Aug 31st 2017 at 10:15:25 AM

For a Disney fan, Lindsay seems to have unfavorable opinion towards the MCU.

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#74197: Aug 31st 2017 at 10:23:27 AM

I don't see how that correlates.

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#74198: Aug 31st 2017 at 10:26:25 AM

Just because you're a Disney fan doesn't mean you have to like everything they put out

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#74199: Aug 31st 2017 at 10:28:28 AM

Disney owns them but they are still Marvel

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#74200: Aug 31st 2017 at 10:33:56 AM

I mean Lindsey's critical of a lot of Disney films too so there's that.

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