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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#73976: Aug 24th 2017 at 7:04:25 AM

[up][up]Unless I'm reading it wrong it sounds like this is gonna be on abc, so I wouldn't count on any of the Netflix heroes being involved.

Come to think of it, could this be the marvel show John Ridley was said to be working on a few years ago?

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#73977: Aug 24th 2017 at 9:44:53 AM

A comedic show for a female audience and they feel the need to clarify that they wouldn't do a pure office show? Honestly, the first thing which comes to my mind there is She-Hulk. Perhaps Jessica Drew, though I am still not clear about the right issues concerning her.

[up] Yeah, this sounds pretty much like they are aiming for ABC or one of the affiliated channels. Wouldn't get too excited about it just yet....none of the Marvel shows so far have pulled the numbers ABC wanted. (Their expectations are just pretty high).

edited 24th Aug '17 9:46:21 AM by Swanpride

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#73978: Aug 24th 2017 at 12:25:42 PM

I'm really sorry if I throw in something random, but it might even have something to do with Infinity War, and I just have to get it off my chest now. So, I was listening to the commentary of Age of Ultron, and during the stinger where Thanos puts on the Infinity Gauntlet, Joss Whedon commented (not word-for-word) that Thanos will try to gather the Infinity Stones himself now, because had enough after being failed by Red Skull, Loki and Ronan...Did I miss something or what? I thought Red Skull wanted to use the Tesseract for HYDRA (he probably did, that's why he supposedly ended up "betraying" Thanos) but when was it hinted that he worked for Thanos in the first place? Was this supposed to be kept a secret or was it just a slip of the tongue by Joss Whedon? I can't find anything about it online (except some WMG that Red Skull is Thanos). I don't know why but this just kinda blew my mind!

Perhaps he misspoke. Or maybe Thanos planted the obsession with the Tesseract in the Skull's...skull. He did have the Mind Stone!

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#73979: Aug 24th 2017 at 1:28:59 PM

Or maybe Joss is just stupid and doesn't care about/pay attention to anything that he himself doesn't create.

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#73981: Aug 24th 2017 at 7:04:44 PM

I mean, he was partially involved in writing the script for The First Avenger, but if Thanos was trying to use the Red Skull to get the Tesseract... then he kinda screwed up by teleporting the Skull into space and NOT the cube.

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#73982: Aug 24th 2017 at 7:42:08 PM

So, I just watched the first episode of Luke Cage. It's pretty slow to start. A drawback of Luke having been established so well in Jessica Jones is that there's not a lot to introduce us to in Luke Cage, so he's kind of a side character in the first episode of his show.

There's a lot that happens, a lot of establishing character bits and introductions to what will presumably be the drama of this series, and Luke's just sorta nearby while most of it occurs. There were a couple of times where I was like, "This is cool and all, but when are we gonna get back to Luke?"

That said, I'll admit, I did not expect the punk kids to die this quickly. They had Death Flags all over their faces from basically the moment they were introduced, but I figured the show would wait until, like, halfway through the season or something. Nope. I mean, I know one of them's still out there, but IIRC he's the asshole of the two, so I don't see him lasting long.

Also, I totally called That One Lady - I don't know a lot of names yet - being a cop. Did not call Fed, however. This show is surprising me even with the stuff I knew was going to happen.

Also, Cottonmouth's voice caught me by surprise. From the look of him, I thought he was going to have one of those high-pitched squeaky voices like Chris Tucker, so when he dropped in his deep, scary bass, I was like, "HOLY SHIT!"

I'm hooked by the desire to learn more about Luke's experience with Shades and to see him confront Cottonmouth. I laughed when Diamondback was name-dropped. Is Luke going to fight the entire Serpent Society over the course of the next few seasons? Because I'd be down for that. Pretty sure Diamondback's supposed to be a Femme Fatale with a Catwoman thing for Captain America though so I'm not sure how that's going to work out.

I'm probably going to be busy being a My Little Pony nerd for the rest of the evening, but I want to try and squeeze the second episode in before bed tonight.

edited 24th Aug '17 7:42:43 PM by TobiasDrake

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#73983: Aug 24th 2017 at 7:44:43 PM

There's two Diamondbacks in the comic, actually. One was a Luke Cage villain. Also yeah, the first episode is kind of slow to start but by the second episode is when shit gets real good.

And that lady's name is Misty Knight. She's awesome.

edited 24th Aug '17 8:05:48 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#73985: Aug 24th 2017 at 8:11:56 PM

Wait, that's Misty Knight?! Sweet! She is awesome. Needs a robot arm.

edited 24th Aug '17 8:12:10 PM by TobiasDrake

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#73986: Aug 24th 2017 at 8:20:13 PM

What's with the spoiler out text? Every here's seen Luke Cage already.

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#73987: Aug 24th 2017 at 8:24:51 PM

Edit: NVM, misunderstood.

edited 24th Aug '17 8:25:20 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#73988: Aug 24th 2017 at 8:28:16 PM

Hah

edited 24th Aug '17 8:28:46 PM by Bocaj

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#73989: Aug 24th 2017 at 8:35:08 PM

I was erring on the side of caution. <.<;;

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#73990: Aug 24th 2017 at 8:41:36 PM

Good to be cautious, but yeah, probably don't go to the trouble.

Luke Cage is a lot more of an ensemble piece than the other Netflix shows. Fitting, since one of the central themes is community. You can expect to see Luke interact with all the many separate characters more closely as the show goes on.

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#73991: Aug 24th 2017 at 9:29:28 PM

Episode 2!

I really like how much black history and black culture gets discussed in this series. Full disclosure, I'm whiter than a vampire, so I don't know my ass from my mouth when it comes to the experience of being black. But this feels genuine to my white ass. I'm willing to retract that statement if I'm wrong.

Okay, here I am like, "Cottonmouth is going to come by here eventually. Pops is raising too many Safe Haven flags about his barbershop. Cottonmouth WILL stick his dick in the sanctuary before this series is through." And then I just finish that thought and Cottonmouth walks right in the door. Surprising me with shit I knew was coming.

So I may have misspoke last episode when I said they killed the nice kid and it was just the asshole left. I think Chico's the nice kid and they killed the asshole. I'm bad with names. Normally I look up the names of characters, but this show's finished and I don't want to accidentally run into spoilers like "And then Chico gets Pops killed and is so distraught that he turns into Super-Hulk" or something.

Every time Pops says, "This place is Switzerland," it's just raising the Death Flag higher and higher. I don't know if he's going to die, but his establishment will be destroyed by show's end.

Wow. Luke's plan to find Chico is to literally wander aimlessly around just shoving his photo in people's faces and asking if they've seen him. In New York. I'm surprised he didn't get a million false positives from white folks who saw a black kid recently and can't tell them apart.

Something about Shades gives me Bullseye vibes. It's that same kind of irreverent hitman character.

Holy shit, asking people at random actually worked. The f*ck. Also, while that was quite the dynamic entrance Luke made, someone's going to have to pay to fix Chico's door and he certainly doesn't have the cash to do it. I so badly want the landlord to walk by and just be like, "WHAT THE F*CK?!" while Luke and Chico are trying to have this tense scene.

It's even worse if this is a hotel.

"Well, I got a half a million new chances, is the way I see it." To be fair, half a million dollars opens a lot of doors. If Chico can get out of town with that money, he can disappear and Cottonmouth will never find him. I don't get the impression that Cottonmouth is a player on a global scale. If Chico runs his ass to Brazil or something, he's gone. Of course, this being the Marvel Netflix shows, that's not going to happen. He won't get five feet out that door before Shades emerges from the pits of F*ck You and cuts his head off.

"A fork will kill you quicker than any bullet." Little things like this are what I love about the Netflix shows. I've previously praised the Punisher for the diner talk where he reveals how much of a romantic he is. They pay attention to the little details. Luke legitimately does have to be deathly afraid of things like high cholesterol or too much grease, because he's an invulnerable man. That's a double-edged sword. He can't have an IV drip. He can't get life-saving injections. He can't receive transplant organs or life-saving surgeries. If something in his body shuts down, he dies. Period.

Cottonmouth's other henchman is loading an uzi now and I'm like, "Huh. Again, surprising me with what I expected. Pops's barbershop was going to get smashed but I thought it'd happen later than the second episode.

Seriously. We just set up this status quo. I thought we'd at least get half a season out of it. Last episode was too slow, but this one's starting to move really fast.

So, let's talk about Henchman Dude's plan. He found out about Chico and came down here with two uzis and just started spraying bullets everywhere. He'd better goddamn hope the money was in that backpack or he just killed the only person who knows where it is. Which would mean Cottonmouth's never getting it back and Henchman's dumb ass is next on the chopping block.

Jesus, imagine if the bullets had actually hit the money. This guy's an idiot.

"That's what you call it? An executive decision?" Henchman's about to die. As he should. Because he's a f*cking moron.

Ooo. Cottonmouth threw the Henchman dude off the roof. That was way more awesome than I was expecting. I figured he'd shoot him with an Instant Death Bullet. When he went behind him, I was like, "Oh, he's going for the neck snap to show off how strong he is." Nope. Roof toss. Really drives home how pissed he is, because that took effort. The edge was, like, half a roof away.

I like Shades. They threw a hell of a curve ball here with him. He came in all like, "Hi, I'm the Serious Criminal from the higher-ranking Crime Guy. I'm here to fix your shit." and so I figured he'd be the callous asshole who totally fails to understand the subtle relationship between Cornell and Pops and instead goes off half-cocked to do something stupid. Nope. Red herring; it was Henchman Dude who was the crazy asshole while Shades is like, "Man, that sucked. Wasn't my idea. Sorry for your loss." Classy.

edited 24th Aug '17 9:29:39 PM by TobiasDrake

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#73992: Aug 24th 2017 at 9:56:07 PM

Henchman dude is named Tone.

I only know that because that's pretty much all he's known for is being named Tone and getting killed by Cottonmouth.

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#73993: Aug 24th 2017 at 9:56:34 PM

Thinking all blacks/Asians/Latinos/Muslims, etc look alike would be a serious tourist move. Can't get away with that sort of thing as a real New Yorker. Or so I've heard, and I'm sure there are still assholes there like anywhere else.

The criminals on Luke Cage get treated with a lot more complexity and and humanity than on Daredevil. Fisk might be a fascinating figure in terms of what makes him tick, but his present-day actions and the organization he's built are a step removed from ordinary folks, an army of faceless mooks to be mowed down by the Devil of Hell's Kitchen. Luke Cage doesn't do that, instead focusing on the connections between criminals and their neighbourhoods, the human cost of treating the war on crime as an actual war.

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#73994: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:21:46 AM

I'm surprised he didn't get a million false positives from white folks who saw a black kid recently and can't tell them apart.

But Chico isn't even black.

And yeah, dumbass henchman is Tone, which is an ironic name since he absolutely cannot read the tone on the rooftop when he's boasting about turning Switzerland into its namesake cheese.

As for Shades, he's basically Customer Service from the Kirby anime.

Also, not sure if you caught it or not, but at the end of the episode when Turk says he's going back to Hell's Kitchen "where it's safe", the first few episodes of Luke Cage take place during the last few episodes of DD Season 2. Which means he's gonna nearly get his foot cut off by the Hand once he heads home. tongue

edited 25th Aug '17 12:30:21 AM by Anomalocaris20

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#73995: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:24:37 AM

"How can I help you, King Cottonmouth?"

"I need a gangsta to clobber that there Luke Cage!"

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#73996: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:29:06 AM

"That's what we do best at DIA MOND BACK!"

It becomes even better once (don't read this spoiler TobiasDrake) Cottonmouth begins bartering for special bullets specifically to clobber that there Luke Cage.

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#73997: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:43:17 AM

The second episode of Luke Cage might be my fav.

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#73999: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:47:34 PM

I really want Inhumans to be good. I'm hoping against hope.

By the way, remember the Inhumans trailer with the song Human attached to it? It was a good trailer. After that trailer came out, I tried looking for the original song, but all I can find is a cover by some guy named Rag N Bone Man made in late 2016. Anyone know who actually created it? I remember hearing it many years ago and I think the original came out in the 50s or 60s.

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#74000: Aug 25th 2017 at 3:31:11 PM

No, it's originally by Rag'n'Bone Man, from 2016


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