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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73776: Aug 9th 2017 at 11:46:58 AM

Captain Marvel's first movie has been advertised with the promise that she will not be in the next Avengers film.

Well, yes. Because her movie comes out after it but before the next one and they've said they want her origin to be done in her own movie before she appears elsewhere. Which was the exact reason they gave for the Wasp not being in Civil War as originally planned, and lo and behold she's gonna be in Avengers 4 as well.

I can already hear the executives going, "Guys, come on, Captain Marvel would be like 60 now. We're not putting her in a movie just to have her be old and crotchety and pooping herself. Be real." Guys, come on, Captain Marvel would be like 60 now. We're not putting her in a movie just to have her be old and crotchety and pooping herself. Be real."

There are literally dozens of ways to have her show up in future Avengers movies without her having to have aged much, if at all, so I doubt that.

edited 9th Aug '17 11:50:21 AM by comicwriter

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#73777: Aug 9th 2017 at 11:52:41 AM

Aren't they gonna just say some Kree bullshit keeps her from aging?

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#73778: Aug 9th 2017 at 11:52:59 AM

Sure, if they want her to, there are plenty. But there are also plenty of excuses not to.

You have more faith in this franchise's treatment of its female characters than I do.

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#73779: Aug 9th 2017 at 11:58:28 AM

I don't even follow this. They're most certainly going to put Captain Marvel in Avengers 4, there's no reason for them to not do that.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73780: Aug 9th 2017 at 11:58:32 AM

[up][up]More like I have more faith in this franchise's commitment to brand synergy than you do. They keep talking of this being a culmination of everything that's happened in the MCU movies thus far. Every other film series they've ever launched (Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, Avengers, The Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Strange, Ant-Man and Black Panther) will be involved. With everything else in the mix it's really unlikely Captain Marvel is gonna be the franchise where they decide "Know what? That doesn't need to be in this."

[up][up][up]Yup. Or any number of explanations. She's been captured by the Skrulls and held in stasis while they experimented on her. She got lost in a wormhole and got out to find 20 years have passed. She taps into her full power and flies so fast that time moves differently for her and what seems like a few minutes is actually two decades. She just has a really good plastic surgeon. It could be anything.

edited 9th Aug '17 1:34:15 PM by comicwriter

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#73781: Aug 9th 2017 at 12:10:47 PM

I don't think I ever once even considered the possibility that Captain Marvel won't be in the fourth Avengers movie. It's just something I kind of assumed.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#73782: Aug 9th 2017 at 1:14:14 PM

I'd like a Young Avengers buildup - or something similar: it doesn't have to specifically be the Young Avengers. But something with Spidey, Stature, Kamala if she gets introduced, Amadeus Cho if he gets introduced, Kid Loki if that happens, etc.

In part because growing up / coming of age in a world of superheroes is a really interesting idea, in part because it's a great way to make a thing out of the franchise's longevity, and in any part because I'd just love to see those characters together.

edited 9th Aug '17 1:15:27 PM by KnownUnknown

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#73783: Aug 9th 2017 at 1:27:13 PM

Tobias, I don't get your argument at all. You've adopted a very cynical position with no evidence to actually support it.

Or are you just playing devil's advocate here, arguing a position you don't actually believe? I'm a little confused here.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#73784: Aug 9th 2017 at 1:43:16 PM

I'm not going to claim I've liked this franchise's use of female characters entirely, but I seriously doubt they'll keep Carol out of the Avengers let alone not have her appear in future films.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#73785: Aug 9th 2017 at 1:44:24 PM

This might seem dumb, but I need an answer. Everyone seems pretty sure the Black Panther is going to be an Avenger. How? T'challa isn't just the Black Panther, he's the king of Wakanda (and the duty of the BP is to protect Wakanda and its interests, iirc). Unless the big plot of the Black Panther movie is T'challa either being forced out of power or abdicating the throne of his own free will, how is he going to have time for the Avengers? The only reason Thor got away with that is because the king of Asgard still lived and ruled, so he wasn't really needed at home.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73786: Aug 9th 2017 at 2:10:09 PM

Unless the big plot of the Black Panther movie is T'challa either being forced out of power or abdicating the throne of his own free will, how is he going to have time for the Avengers?

The same way he's been able to be on teams in the comics literally since the 60's? He doesn't run the entire country by himself, nor does he spend all his time with the Avengers.

edited 9th Aug '17 2:11:47 PM by comicwriter

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#73787: Aug 9th 2017 at 2:22:48 PM

The Avengers are not supposed to be a continual team, but are assembled when the need arrives. Hence Avengers Assemble. As king T'Challa wouldn't have time to be doing Batman-style ambushing threats out in the jungle either, but that's an established role that he has.

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#73788: Aug 9th 2017 at 2:30:23 PM

[up][up][up]Because he's a mainstay in the comics, that's why.

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#73789: Aug 9th 2017 at 2:45:30 PM

In his time on the Avengers in the 70s he mostly just neglects Wakanda to have comic book adventures and teach high school.

His subjects send increasingly desperate faxes begging him to come back and actually rule, which he ignores.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73790: Aug 9th 2017 at 4:15:03 PM

New series finally resolved it by turning Wakanda into a constitutional monarch so he officially has time to do international Avenging instead of running the country being his full-time job.

JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
#73792: Aug 9th 2017 at 6:22:03 PM

I feel like this poster is more indicative of an adventure movie, as opposed to the domestic poster which seems less serious to me.

And Jeff Goldblum in the corner looking smarmy as hell.

edited 9th Aug '17 6:22:54 PM by JRads47

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#73793: Aug 9th 2017 at 6:22:07 PM

Some guy in space teams up with a mean green guy in space and a lean green guy in space to beat up the mean green not-queen in space.

edited 9th Aug '17 6:22:39 PM by Tuckerscreator

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#73794: Aug 9th 2017 at 6:51:33 PM

What gets me about this poster is how awkward most of the characters look.

Thor looks bored as shit, like he's thinking, "So, are we done here?"

Jeff Goldblum's Grandmaster, as noted, looks smarmy as hell. Like he's giggling to himself about some private joke. "Wee hee hee, I left a poop in Chris Hemsworth's dressing room when he wasn't looking and it's going to start smelling pretty ripe soon!"

Valkyrie's staring blankly at the camera like she's saying, "Remember to warn me before you snap the photo so I can get into—GODDAMMIT, you were supposed to say something!"

Loki doesn't look menacing, he looks like he's in the middle of pantomiming someone trying to look menacing. "Whoo, look at me, I'm a scary, scary man, I am. That's Thor. That's my brother, right there."

Heimdall's slouching body posture says he's exhausted and can barely be arsed to keep his sword up anymore while his facial expression says, "Wait, what the f*ck is Loki doing in this movie?"

Odin has somehow managed to pull off a Thousand Yard Stare with only one eye. "I have seen some shit, my son. Literally. You do not want to know what Jeff Goldblum did in your dressing room."

Meanwhile, the Hulk is the only one among them actually managing to rock a menacing look. But he doesn't seem to have gotten the memo that he's supposed to be on Thor's side in this movie, judging by the way he's about to punch Heimdall in the back of his skull.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73795: Aug 9th 2017 at 7:03:50 PM

It's pretty flat and lifeless, but it's way better than the Spider-Man ones at least.

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#73796: Aug 9th 2017 at 7:04:37 PM

Marvel really needs to stop taking individual pictures and then photoshopping them together to try and make a group shot.

Like. At the very least, some sense that the characters are looking at the same thing would help.

edited 9th Aug '17 7:05:27 PM by TobiasDrake

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#73797: Aug 9th 2017 at 7:05:23 PM

Okay it took me like ten seconds to find Goldblum in that poster.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#73798: Aug 9th 2017 at 7:50:57 PM

It's a cheap photoshop, yet it's actually still a better job than most of the shops Marvel has done in house. GOTG 2's international poster had the same thing going for it.

Marvel's got other posters and promo materials that are better, but this is...serviceable. It looks like a brightly-coloured fantasy movie with an amazing cast, which is what it is. I'm not exactly excited about the poster, but this is a decent reminder of eight good reasons to see this movie, which is all it really has to be, at this point.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#73799: Aug 9th 2017 at 8:10:55 PM

I like the poster. Makes me think of something like Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat with the characters as players and Hel as the Final Boss. Which makes a surprising amount of sense given the premise of the movie.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#73800: Aug 9th 2017 at 8:13:12 PM

@Tobias: To be fair, if you took all of those characters and had them stand still for a picture, that's probably how they would act.

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