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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#73726: Aug 7th 2017 at 6:18:18 PM

Well that and as one last middle finger to Ike Perlmutter since he was the one pushing for the Inhumans for so long.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#73727: Aug 7th 2017 at 6:24:10 PM

I feel there's a bit of having their cake and eating it too going on as well. Marvel wants to push Inhumans so that it can replace the X-Men, but they don't want to commit a movie to it. They want to give us big and interesting new characters and concepts, but don't seem willing to commit a lot of resources to them. They want to introduce people to this cool new corner of The 'Verse, but want to play it safe and do so in the smallest and most closed off way possible.

It makes me fear for Runaways.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73728: Aug 7th 2017 at 9:00:45 PM

It's less to do with that and more to do with nobody at Marvel wanting it to happen but Perlmutter. He was the one who pushed heavily for an Inhumans movie to get made in the first place because he was utterly adamant that the Inhumans were gonna be the new X-Men. Feige and the others weren't interested, but Perlmutter kept pushing for it.

As soon as Perlmutter was ousted from the movie division, Inhumans mysteriously disappeared from the production slate, with Feige giving vague platitudes about how it'll totally maybe kind of eventually happen someday perhaps.

On the TV end, Pelrmutter still wields influence and the movie side isn't really involved, nor do they care what the TV shows are doing. They're doing the TV show because it's the only avenue Ole' Ikey has left, basically.

edited 7th Aug '17 9:01:51 PM by comicwriter

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#73729: Aug 7th 2017 at 9:14:23 PM

He's done more damage to the inhuman than anyone anywhere I'd say.

They'll be toxic after this due to trying to make them into something they aren't.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#73730: Aug 7th 2017 at 9:45:07 PM

Instead of being the MCU's X-Men, this would've been way better if they'd made it into the MCU's Fantastic Four. Seriously, think about it: they're a family, they have superpowers, they go to space and have adventures! They even have a magical teleporting dog! There's a whole audience for that on ABC of all places if you don't keep on insisting on trying to bite back the audience for X-Men...who you've already beaten, by the way. You've won, you've proved that you don't need the X-Men for the MCU to be successful. Hell, the comics have half-proven that they're largely willing to do without mutants as a concept altogether, and while I'm not exactly happy about that, no need to keep beating a dead horse.

Said it before, but leaning away from the tights and masks and not putting Lockjaw front-and-centre of the advertising for this series from the very beginning? Exactly the wrong move.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#73731: Aug 7th 2017 at 11:05:14 PM

All that's going to accomplish is get F4 fans mad at the Inhumans instead of X-Men fans. As others have pointed out, trying to make these guys into something they aren't is the problem to begin with.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73732: Aug 7th 2017 at 11:17:22 PM

I wonder if the TV guys intentionally half-assed the show due to it being forced on them by Perlmutter. Not quite a Springtime for Hitler, but not putting as much effort into it as they could've (the above fantastical costuming, emphasis on Lockjaw, etc.), due to lack of interest. Only reason I can imagine them putting Scott Buck on it despite the already chilly reception to Iron Fist.

edited 7th Aug '17 11:27:05 PM by AlleyOop

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#73733: Aug 7th 2017 at 11:19:18 PM

Worried this will have a detrimental effect on any upcoming Kamala Khan film.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#73734: Aug 7th 2017 at 11:22:34 PM

[up][up][up]I'm saying don't change them. They're already a lot like the Fantastic Four to begin with, without changing them at all, was my point. Have them be about the kind of rollicking old-fashioned sci-fi which the Four and the Inhumans both sprang. The Four and Inhumans share a lot of common ground since the Inhumans were first introduced in the Fantastic Four's book. There are certainly differences between the two families, but there are a lot of shared themes and similar kinds of stories you could tell between the two. I'm not suggesting stripmining the Fantastic Four as characters or repurposing their stories for the Inhuman Royal Family— rather, what Inhumans could've been was a way of showing that the specific kind of stories the Four have always been good for have their place and can be told without trying to modernize them along the lines of Fant4stic or the current 'let's see if we can turn the Inhumans into Bryan Singer's X-Men circa 2000'.

edited 8th Aug '17 1:08:56 AM by Unsung

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#73735: Aug 7th 2017 at 11:24:30 PM

Wouldn't the Power Pack fit better?

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#73736: Aug 7th 2017 at 11:27:05 PM

@Alley Oop

I'm fairly certain they hired Buck for Inhumans for the same reason they hired him for Iron Fist: he can make shows cheap and fast, regardless of quality.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73737: Aug 7th 2017 at 11:28:40 PM

Yeah, that's what I meant. He's not a great showrunner but he can get it done and over with and still call it a functional product. Kind of like what Fox intended with the old Roger Corman Fantastic Four film.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#73738: Aug 7th 2017 at 11:32:47 PM

[up][up][up]That works too.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#73739: Aug 8th 2017 at 12:10:21 AM

The X-men don't fit into the MCU. Never have. They are better off in their own world. The Inhumans as universal source for powered people on the other hand works. But I hope that if they go on the moon, they do go all Game of Thrones.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#73740: Aug 8th 2017 at 1:06:18 AM

The X-Men barely fit into the Marvel Universe, and that's been going strong for decades.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#73741: Aug 8th 2017 at 4:32:16 AM

[up] The continuity in the Marvel universe isn't half as tight as the continuity in the MCU is. This is one of the things I love about the MCU, that the pieces mostly fit together. If they start to just stop bothering, it would be a reason to stop watching.

Even if Marvel gets the rights back, I would want the X-men in their own little universe. They can still cross over in some kind of interdimensional war or tournament scenario.

Not that I actually think that this will happen...my prediction is that Marvel won't get the X-men rights back until the MCU is already finished. I am only hoping for the fantastic four.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73742: Aug 8th 2017 at 6:02:24 AM

All that's going to accomplish is get F4 fans mad at the Inhumans instead of X-Men fans

The X-Men are way more popular than the F4, and the take that was suggested wouldn't be as blatantly similar as what Marvel's done with the Inhumans so far.

JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
#73743: Aug 8th 2017 at 6:18:04 AM

[up]I'd argue that that the F4 is more integral to the Marvel U, given that their Rogues Gallery includes the most prominent villain on the Marvel Earth and a bunch of cosmic threats that are linked to Earth through them. Also, the F4 is Marvel's First Family, so I think the impact of replacing them with the Inhumans would be as noticable as the situation with the X-Men (though I wouldn't say the scale would be as bad).

edited 8th Aug '17 6:19:43 AM by JRads47

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73744: Aug 8th 2017 at 6:21:10 AM

I'll be honest and say I'm less concerned with the FF and more with their villains. I don't need them back but if Marvel could do another trade to get back Doom or Galactus, that'd be great.

At this point the FF brand is so tarnished I doubt we'd see another movie even if Marvel did get the rights.

edited 8th Aug '17 6:21:33 AM by comicwriter

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#73745: Aug 8th 2017 at 6:26:59 AM

I've always loved the Inhuman royal family, especially Black Bolt as a character, and I feel like the best way to write them isn't to make them a replacement for the F4 or for the X-Men. They are a royal family, so logically the right way to write them is by emphasising the superpower kings and queens political drama aspect of them. Honestly, it makes me a little sad to read people talking about deliberately making them fail just to spite Perlmutter.

I've been looking forward to this and hoping it's good ever since it was first announced as a movie. When I heard that Agents of SHIELD was incorporating Inhumans, my first thought was "Awesome! That means the MCU is one step closer to the royal family!". Out of all the MCU movies announced in that big batch so long ago, Inhumans was honestly the one I was most excited for.

JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
#73746: Aug 8th 2017 at 6:38:08 AM

[up]I have no problems with them, I just don't like how they're being treated as of late.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#73747: Aug 8th 2017 at 7:01:13 AM

[up][up] Yeah, this makes me sad, too. Too many people just want the Inhumans to fail, no matter what. I also never got the criticism Ao S got for the way they handled their Inhumans plot considering that they didn't even try to touch the royal family, they were just laying some groundwork and did what was basically the Secret Warriors plot.

I mean, I get the "I have an issue with Buck" angle....this is a honest concern. But not the "I hate the Inhumans because they are supposed to replace the Mutants" angle, mostly because the Inhumans aren't replacing anything in the MCU. There aren't any mutants in it, and there never will be any.

Overall, I don't think one should mix the Comics with the movies...Marvel might do something terrible in the comics but that doesn't mean that it will happen in the movies, and the other way around.

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#73748: Aug 8th 2017 at 8:22:49 AM

[up]

Overall, I don't think one should mix the Comics with the movies...Marvel might do something terrible in the comics but that doesn't mean that it will happen in the movies, and the other way around.

So no chance of Captain Nazi then?tongue

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#73749: Aug 8th 2017 at 9:17:04 AM

I'd be okay with Captain Nazi if he was later revealed to be a Skrull.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#73750: Aug 8th 2017 at 9:22:33 AM

I feel kind of bad for the actors. They seem to enjoy working on the show, and they seem to have put in an admirable amount of effort (especially Anson Mount from what I've heard). So to see all of that go to waste because of Jeph Loeb and Scott Buck's incompetence is sad.


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