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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Yes, it was a stakeout. Everyone was in various positions watching a police station that they mistakenly believed to be Rumlow's target and waiting for him to show up.
edited 2nd Aug '17 9:07:04 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I thought the way they were talking made it sound like they had just gotten there. They're taking up positions and viewpoints, but it didn't seem like they'd been staking this place out for weeks knowing for a certainty that Rumlow was going to be there. It's been a while since I saw it, though.
edited 2nd Aug '17 11:46:07 PM by Unsung
What's the government of Lagos like? I ask because if they were dealing with limited time and corrupt officials that might well tip off the bad guys rather than arresting them, then I can see why Steve would've felt like they had to take action RIGHT NOW. If it was actually an upstanding government, then maybe they could've called the authorities, tagged the vehicles, and just followed from a distance?
For the record, Scott WAS informed about the whole situation. Clint had after all hours to do it. The first thing Steve ask Scott when he sees him is if he knows what is going on and Scott becomes serious and says yes. Then Steve warns him (apparently again) that he might end up in prison for this and if he is really up to it. Sure, in this moment he is standing in front of Captain America, but apparently he had hours to think about it. Other than Peter apparently who barely had any understanding what was going on and mostly wanted to impress "Mr. Stark".
But yeah, it is kind of funny that Cap picked someone for his team who is very Tony-like and Tony picked someone who is very Cap-like.
I read an account of the tie in comics that makes Steve's actions in Lagos even worse.
According to what was said, Sam and Steve heard rumours of an ex Hydra operative in Lagos. Thinking it could be Bucky, they decided to follow up on it with Natasha and Wanda tagging along for some reason. It wasn't until they got there that they realised it was Rumulow.
So not only did they act on incomplete information but they don't even have the excuse of being in Lagos to stop criminals. They were just indulging Steve's obsession with Barnes.
And while there is the problem of potential corruption within the Lagos authorities, it isn't like not telling them made things much better now did it?
Telling them could have tipped off Rumlow, meaning he might disappear for another year or however long it had been since Winter Soldier. All they were trying to do was catch him— there was no particular reason for them to think, or any real way for them to know, that he'd suicide bomb a whole city block if he was in danger of being caught. That...escalated quickly.
edited 3rd Aug '17 2:09:27 AM by Unsung
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The Tie-in comics often contradict the movies (they do it often enough that I don't even consider them truly canon). In this case Steve already knows that Rumlow is the guy they are searching for when the movie starts and he has a bunch of newspaper article about him attacking in other countries with the respective police in said countries being unable to stop him. So, no, in the movie he isn't there because of Bucky...it might be possible that his search for Bucky put him on the trace of Rumlow, but just looking for Bucky wouldn't be a crime.
Apparently there were discussions about bringing Sharon Carter into Agents of SHIELD
, but it obviously never happened.
is if he knows what is going on and Scott becomes serious and says yes.
No, he doesn't. This is their exact exchange.
- Steve: They tell you what we're up against?
- Scott: Something about some psycho assassins?
- Steve: We're outside the law on this one. So if you come with us, you're a wanted man.
- Scott: (shrug) Yeah, well, what else is new.
Nothing about Scott's behavior in this scene indicates he has any idea what he's actually stepping into. The fact that he knows about the assassins indicates that Clint at least tried to brief him, but his cavalier attitude also indicates that he wasn't really paying attention.
He's really just here to do awesome Avengers stuff with the Avengers and doesn't seem to be overly concerned with the details until they land him in the Raft.
edited 3rd Aug '17 11:38:26 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.It doesn't matter whose fault it is. The topic of conversation was, "Why would Scott rush out to become a wanted international fugitive immediately after reconciling with his daughter? That makes no sense and is completely out of character!"
To which the answer was, "I don't think he really had any idea what he was getting into." Precisely who is to blame for that is beside the point. He did it because he didn't see it as becoming an international fugitive who will be put into prison for the rest of his natural life if caught. He saw it as, "Captain America wants me to be an Avenger! Yippee!"
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.In fairness.
IN FAIRNESS.
The Avengers have a great benefits package.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersAlso, it's not clear if Scott was ever briefed on the situation with the Sokovia Accords. Cap just says "We're outside the law."
That can mean anything from speeding to committing flagrant acts of genocide. It's a pretty wide umbrella.
edited 3rd Aug '17 11:51:52 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Looks like the Kree are coming back to Agents of SHIELD
in Season 5. Wonder if they will lay some groundwork stuff for Captain Marvel.
I like the Inhumans as represented through Agents of SHIELD.
Its good stuff.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI like Skye Daisies and Yoyo more than I like any other Inhuman that is not Kamala, Lunella, or Lockjaw.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersSay guys, for the next Avengers Infinity films...what do you think in how the teams will end up after Thanos's done for. Do you think they'll reconcile their differences and assemble once more? Or were the rifts too much for them to handle that even after everything, they feel they are unworthy of being together? I'd say I'll go for the former because it would work out with the topic of team work and trust from the MCU.
The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.I think it depends on how badly Thanos wrecks their shit. Coming into and going through Infinity War, it would probably be teamwork by necessity. There may even be a sense of superhero-styled Working the Same Case with a lot of splintered groups before they have to fight together.
But at the same time, Civil War wasn't really personal. Not even Tony or Steve really had anything against one another, even by the end. Tony probably still hates Bucky's guts, but Bucky's still on Earth and Tony's about to have space adventures. And there's even less bad blood among the other Avengers.
They're about to be way out of the Accords' jurisdiction and working with space mercenaries with a history of doing heroic things carte blanche (amusing that we're getting a conflict that basically invalidates the Accords basically immediately after all that drama), so - at least in Hollywood - the Legal Avengers have less reason to try to arrest the Fugitive Avengers on sight or anything, and the Fugitive Avengers have no reason to make an issue out of it.
And if Thanos kills Cap or Tony, we can probably expect the fugitive thing to just straight up end: either Cap dies and Tony pulls strings to get the others pardoned, Tony dies and Cap surrenders out of respect, or they both die and the others decide it's not worth fighting about anymore. If not, then you still have their personalities to continue carrying that plotline.
edited 4th Aug '17 2:19:36 AM by KnownUnknown

Was it a stakeout? It was a lead, but not a hard lead, and part of the problem with tracking a spy like Rumlow is that the more people you involve, the higher the chances of him getting wind of you. He was up there in Hydra, and they had all kinds of assets all over the world.
It was a difficult situation, and people got hurt. That is a risk, but I think, as Cap says, it's part of the job and a decision that people in charge are asked to make every day. Part of Tony's problem is that for all his big picture understanding of things on an intellectual level, he's not great at being emotionally objective now that he's actually forcing himself to own up to his responsibilities. Being a manchild up to the age of 40, he doesn't have that experience, and he's set in his ways.
edited 2nd Aug '17 11:44:51 PM by Unsung