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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#73576: Aug 1st 2017 at 12:26:10 PM

Which neatly comes under the heading of "Fuck consequences".

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Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#73577: Aug 1st 2017 at 12:26:20 PM

I'm honestly not sure if it does, since the summary doesn't mention Infinity War, though I suppose that could just be to avoid spoiling it at this point in time. Setting it before Infinity War would probably make it easier to market, though, since it comes out so soon after it.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#73578: Aug 1st 2017 at 12:28:08 PM

If it comes out post I.F it's probably after it.

Unless Scott's not in I.F then all bets are off.

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#73579: Aug 1st 2017 at 12:28:20 PM

"dealing with the consequences of his superheroics" is an actual statement in that synopsis that you keep overlooking. For all you know the government has given him a pardon and he has signed the accords, but must learn to operate the Teeth-Clenched Teamwork with government agents who see him as nothing but a Boxed Crook and his family, as well as whatever Hank has cooked up.

The fact a bunch of government agents have been announced in the cast would even hint to something on this effect.

edited 1st Aug '17 12:29:15 PM by Gaon

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#73580: Aug 1st 2017 at 12:30:50 PM

[up][up] Well, he's not on the posters, and he wasn't in the D23 trailer, from what I could tell. Still, I think I read that he'd be in the movie...

Maybe he only shows up at the very end?

I doubt he'll have a large role in IW either way, since again, Ant-Man and the Wasp comes out only a couple months later.

edited 1st Aug '17 12:33:28 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#73581: Aug 1st 2017 at 12:34:39 PM

Sounds unlikely [up]

[up][up] the description also makes it sound like his biggest parenting concern is just finding time away from work.

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#73582: Aug 1st 2017 at 12:35:10 PM

IW mid credits scene: "Hey guys! Just got back from camping with my daughter. Did I miss anything interesting?"

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#73583: Aug 1st 2017 at 12:45:36 PM

He's on the IW poster, he's just too small.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#73584: Aug 1st 2017 at 1:01:53 PM

Sounds unlikely

What does?

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#73585: Aug 1st 2017 at 1:03:18 PM

That Antman will be in Infinity War. I think I read somewhere that they couldn't fit every single character into one movie, so some characters would be appearing in Avengers 4

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73586: Aug 1st 2017 at 1:36:06 PM

I read that despite getting cast Captain Marvel was actually deconfirmed for Infinity War so it may be referring primarily to her.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73587: Aug 1st 2017 at 2:05:22 PM

Evangeline Lilly said the Wasp will be in Part 4 but not Infinity War, so that's consistent with the description saying something about the Pyms confronting Scott.

Scott is in Infinity War though. He was filming with Benedict Cumberbatch not too long ago.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#73588: Aug 1st 2017 at 2:36:09 PM

Going back to what was said a couple pages ago, I seriously doubt Scott or any of the Avengers are hiding in Wakanda. In the Stinger Steve himself said "we can't stay here". And he's right. If any of them were spotted (or if someone who has a problem with the new King informed on them) not only would it land T'challa in a really bad spot, it would lead the people who want Bucky dead right to him.

edited 1st Aug '17 2:36:38 PM by MedusaStone

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73589: Aug 1st 2017 at 2:42:57 PM

I didn't see anyone say anything about the Avengers hiding in Wakanda.

edited 1st Aug '17 2:43:36 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#73590: Aug 1st 2017 at 3:29:28 PM

Who says that they are in hiding at all? I mean, they are certainly avoiding the authorities, but I have a hard time to believe that Steve would just stop trying to do good things. Not necessarily fighting, but there are other ways to help people.

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#73592: Aug 1st 2017 at 3:55:35 PM

I honestly wouldn't be surprised at this point

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#73593: Aug 1st 2017 at 3:57:57 PM

First going to agree with others that while written vaguely as would be expected, the summary seems to pretty clearly being acknowledging Civil War and having that background as the new status quo.

Too other thoughts though. One is that (IMO of course) the end of Civil War suggested that Tony was not particularly inclined to hunt down the Avengers and was somewhat pleased they escaped.

The other thing though is that although the norm of the MCU has been of heroes working in the open with government endorsement, it's definitely a "comic book thing" to have heroes as vigilantes fighting crime while also trying to avoid arrest by the police. If it works for (say) Spider-Man and Batman in those comics, it can work for Ant-Man and the other Avengers in the MCU.

edited 1st Aug '17 3:58:54 PM by Hodor2

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#73594: Aug 1st 2017 at 4:57:37 PM

Not really. Batman and Spider-Man can get away with it due to their secret identities. At the end of they day they can go home and take off their masks with no fear the police will come knocking at their door.

The whole world knows Scott Lang is Ant-Man, so there's no normal civilian life he can live if he's a wanted criminal.

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#73595: Aug 1st 2017 at 4:59:08 PM

Wait, is his identity that public?

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#73596: Aug 1st 2017 at 5:07:32 PM

The most people know was that there was a giant in that airport fight. Nobody saw his face, and I don't think it's public knowledge that he can shrink. Hell, anyone who does know would probably want to keep it a secret, for their own potential use down the line. There's gotta be a reason Hank and Janet were more like spies than superheroes in those flashbacks, and shrinking down to tiny size but retaining all the force projection of a full-sized human? That's a secret worth keeping.

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#73597: Aug 1st 2017 at 5:22:23 PM

At the very least, whatever government officials put him in the Raft know he's Scott Lang, so he's really not going to be able to just go and chill with his family and Paxton without Ross's men coming to collect.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#73598: Aug 1st 2017 at 6:31:35 PM

Yeah, he'd have to visit in secret, which the suit (and his daughter's love of trains and dollhouses and whatnot) probably helps with, and, for that matter, so could Paxton's law enforcement career if he's on board. He'll probably get caught eventually because that's just how these things go, and sadly, apart from Luis and that one ad with the spoons, Ant-Man's pretty cookie-cutter.

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#73599: Aug 1st 2017 at 6:59:22 PM

Huh, so rewatching Civil War and, while discussing wether or not to sign the Accords, Vision mentions that it's been 8 years since Iron Man. Later in the same scene Sam says to Natasha "aren't you the same woman who told the government to kiss her ass a few years ago?" [emphasis mine]

So the timeline was established then, not in Homecoming.

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JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
#73600: Aug 1st 2017 at 7:04:40 PM

But that was in relation to Iron Man, hence the reference to 2008 (the movie is supposed to take place in 2010). Homecoming references The Avengers, which takes place in 2012.


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