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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#73551: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:17:47 AM

It also says balence his home life with his duties as Aant Man.

A home life it's hard to imagine him having now that he's an international criminal.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73552: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:21:57 AM

He's a guy who can literally shrink down to the size of a bug. Trying to find a way to spend time with his kid despite being a criminal isn't that hard to imagine. Unless the cops are employing anteaters now.

In fact him trying to spend time with her despite not having his shit together is something that's been explored in the comics.

edited 1st Aug '17 11:22:32 AM by comicwriter

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#73553: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:23:09 AM

Yeah because they're not going to look for him near his daughter when they're trying to catch him after the raft breakout.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73554: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:25:18 AM

Unless they've got trained ant patrols after him now, there's really not much they could do to stop without putting a 24/7 detail on his family. In fact, a dad trying to find a way to spend time with his kid while evading the law is a pretty compelling take in its own right.

edited 1st Aug '17 11:26:32 AM by comicwriter

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#73555: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:27:46 AM

I wonder if this movie will be set before Infinity War so it can explain a proper continuity.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73556: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:30:50 AM

[up]How so? Unless Avengers 4 picks up immediately after Infinity War, I don't think there's much that needs explaining, is there?

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#73557: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:31:51 AM

[up][up] It'd be more compelling if he'd given them two seconds of thought before listening to Captain Quixote.

Also he's carrying around tech that could easily become the greatest asset to terrorists world over, and he's wanted for attacking U.N officials who report to the American Sec Def. it'll be child's play to secure a 24/7 detail on his family.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73558: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:38:11 AM

And if they can find a way to stop a guy who can literally shrink himself and others down to a microscopic level, by golly did I underestimate our police!tongue

Otherwise, it really doesn't mean a damn. If a guy who can shrink wants to spend time with his kid, he's gonna find a way.

edited 1st Aug '17 11:38:43 AM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#73559: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:39:33 AM

I never understood the notion that Scott risking prison for cap is ooc for him. This is EXACTLY what he would do. It is the same thing he did in Ant-man, too, because Hank convinced him that protecting Cassie's world was more important than everything else. Cassie is safe with a loving mother and a loving father, while Scott certainly wants to be part of her life, too, he would gladly risk everything as long as it means that she is protected.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#73560: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:40:27 AM

Okay first going microscopic nearly killed him Second, it's not going to be the cops it'll be Shield.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73561: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:40:58 AM

kay first going microscopic nearly killed him

Doesn't need to literally go microscopic. Just tiny enough to evade notice.

Second, it's not going to be the cops it'll be Shield.

SHIELD doesn't exist as far as the movies are concerned. I am amused though that most of what you're describing in an attempt to prove the film is somehow ignoring Civil War is all stuff that sounds like it could potentially be in the movie anyway (in fact I wouldn't be surprised if they had Jimmy Woo playing the Tommy Lee Jones role from The Fugitive in this).

edited 1st Aug '17 11:42:49 AM by comicwriter

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#73562: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:44:09 AM

Also I'm fairly certain his shrinking gear would have been confiscated before he was put in the Raft, so unless they just kept everything in a locker there for Cap to steal, instead of handing it to Tony or something, the cops shouldn't be too concerned about that at least until Hank gets involved.

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#73563: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:47:27 AM

instead of handing it to Tony or something

Who says Tony held on to any of it? He didn't want any of these guys in Jail. Before he got he was forced to fly to Siberia to help Cap, he was probably already thinking of ways to keep their tech away from Ross.

Then again, Tony wouldn't have been allowed near it anyway since he failed so badly, so it's a moot point.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73564: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:49:32 AM

Falcon is using his flying suit in the trailer for Infinity War, so unless someone built him a new one that looks the same (which is admittedly possible with Black Panther in the mix), I'm going to guess Cap and the others stole back their gear when they escaped.

edited 1st Aug '17 11:49:52 AM by comicwriter

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#73565: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:51:41 AM

Fine, C.I.A F.B.I , some other shadowy agency, point is Scott is beyond wanted he's not getting close to his kid in any way that won't beggar belief , and frankly he probably shouldn't considering how much heat is on him.

[up][up] [up][up] The Pyms are almost certainly either under investigation or arrest since Scott Mentioned Pym by name to Stark.

Why would they keep their weapons in the same damn building ?

edited 1st Aug '17 11:52:43 AM by thatindiantroper

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#73566: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:52:10 AM

How did Cap know where the Raft was again?

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#73567: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:52:59 AM

T'Challa

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73568: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:53:56 AM

[up][up][up]Again that sounds like something that would actually be explored in the film and given the explicit mention of Civil War in the logline, likely will be. You're just insisting for some reason they're ignoring Civil War based on a mention of him trying to spend time with his kid and kind of moving the goalpost around.

edited 1st Aug '17 11:54:24 AM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#73569: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:59:28 AM

There was no need for Scott to mention Hank. Hank used to work for shield and while this information might not be in the shield files which were leaked (due to him being active before everything was put into a computer), it would be naïve to believe that the government doesn't know about him at all.

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Brightness
#73570: Aug 1st 2017 at 11:59:33 AM

@Handsome Rob: like I said, "or something"

Also I've not seen the IW clip, but yeah, not unreasonable to think Wakanda could build Sam some new wings.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#73571: Aug 1st 2017 at 12:02:35 PM

It says balence his home life with superheroing. That implies he has a name life extensive enough that he has to balence it. The description sure doesn't make it sound like he's furitively sneaking in and out of his daughter's home to spend time with her.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73572: Aug 1st 2017 at 12:05:52 PM

Not really, no. He's trying to do his Ant-Man thing and also find time to stop in on his daughter. That sounds perfectly reasonable and a conflict that would be interesting to explore in the film. And I'll say again, if they were ignoring his status from Civil War, it seems like it'd be an odd decision to explicitly mention Civil War in the logline and say he's dealing with the consequences of it.

Those two ideas aren't incompatible.

edited 1st Aug '17 12:06:11 PM by comicwriter

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#73573: Aug 1st 2017 at 12:12:31 PM

[up][up] I think you're assuming a lot from a few vague sentences. I don't think we can really make judgements about this until we know more.

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Funny but not helpful
#73574: Aug 1st 2017 at 12:19:45 PM

Let's not get angry so early in the game

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#73575: Aug 1st 2017 at 12:21:58 PM

This occurs after Infinity War, yes? For all we know he got an official pardon by then or something.

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