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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#73526: Jul 28th 2017 at 4:23:50 PM

Wait, he is? I don't remember that…

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73527: Jul 28th 2017 at 4:41:19 PM

He says several things that imply he knows there is some great threat to Earth on the horizon (Saying that god is "winding up" to toss another catastrophe at Earth, telling Vision "they're doomed"). It's unclear if he literally knows it's Thanos or if he's just thinking about potential threats in general.

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#73528: Jul 28th 2017 at 4:42:51 PM

It's also worth noting that Tony explicitly says he's created Ultron in fear of the return of alien threat. We see that both in his vision and when he explains himself to his teammates after the party.

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#73529: Jul 28th 2017 at 4:46:27 PM

[up][up][up] It's the culmination of a few things. First is the fact that Loki's scepter was trying to create Ultron before Tony even got involved. When they find the Hydra base, they discover that Hydra was trying to create a functioning AI too. It's ostensibly what gives Tony the idea that they could use the scepter for Ultron. Ultron later puts that production facility back into use to make his drones.

Then Tony and Bruce go to create Ultron and it's an unmitigated failure. Ultron refuses to be created. Tony later remarks on this after Ultron's attack, bringing up the fact that he and Bruce were nowhere near a workable prototype. And yet the second Tony and Bruce leave the room, Ultron suddenly succeeds, as though the program was waiting for them to be absent before doing its thing.

This wouldn't necessarily mean anything on its own, but the clincher is the Stinger. After Ultron is defeated, an angry Thanos dons the Infinity Gauntlet and gripes, "Fine, I'll do it myself." He directly reacts to Ultron's failure as though he's been monitoring the situation this entire time, expecting some kind of results.

edited 28th Jul '17 4:49:04 PM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#73530: Jul 29th 2017 at 12:57:11 AM

Shi-chang and Power Pack aren't really that much of a surprise...one has to consider that a number of Marvel B-lister properties, including Ironman, Daredevil, Ghostrider aso were still licensed out at that point. So next in line would be the C-lister, characters who had their own comic book series for a while, but haven't be that present in the media yet.

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#73531: Jul 29th 2017 at 1:49:04 AM

I still really, really want Power Pack to get a movie or show at some point. Go with their modern G-Rated interpretation: the market's already saturated enough with dark superhero stuff and it's about to get some edgy teen superhero shows, so the Power Pack can be the lighthearted kid superheroes to balance it out.

If it's a show, I want a 'Power Pack teams up with Jessica Jones' crossover episode, where the kids play detective while Jessica uses all of her willpower to keep herself from cursing or drinking in front of them.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73532: Jul 29th 2017 at 9:56:29 AM

Since the Shang-Chi license is safe I should hope they have some use for it in the immediate future.

edited 29th Jul '17 9:58:22 AM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73533: Jul 29th 2017 at 12:57:53 PM

They talked with the Black Panther cast a little. Interestingly, Winston Duke says the Jabari tribe worship Hanuman, the Hindu monkey god. That's an odd but interesting choice that I guess explains why they would find apes sacred.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#73535: Jul 29th 2017 at 3:34:10 PM

With Killmonger hinted at being enhanced and having his own golden panther sui, Man-Ape must have some sort of enhancements too to compensate to be able to fight T'Challa and Killmonger and I seriously doubt they'll have him obtain his abilities from eating gorilla flesh.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73536: Jul 29th 2017 at 3:38:33 PM

That is super strange, but I guess you can try to rationalize it through East Africa's historic trade with India. It's not much weirder than Wakanda worshipping the Egyptian goddess Bast, and it makes more sense when you consider the Jabari tribe are viewed as heretics by the rest of Wakanda. Worshipping a deity who originated from a society on a completely different continent would probably be a huge Berserk Button for the xenophobic Wakandans.

I do wonder if the Hanuman worship will get a lot of play, meaning they might have to be careful not to offend Hindu audiences since I know Atlus got in some hot water for their depictions of Krishna as a villain of one of the Shin Megami Tensei games. And one of the skins for Symmetra in Overwatch also got into similar controversy for being blasphemous.

edited 29th Jul '17 4:23:44 PM by AlleyOop

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#73537: Jul 29th 2017 at 3:45:05 PM

It also makes sense if you assume that Hanuman is an actual being in the MCU and has no reason to confine himself to a particular subcontinent.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#73538: Jul 31st 2017 at 9:41:57 AM

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73539: Aug 1st 2017 at 10:12:07 AM

Ant-Man & The Wasp started filming today, and they released a new synopsis.

From the Marvel Cinematic Universe comes a new chapter featuring heroes with the astonishing ability to shrink: “Ant-Man and The Wasp.” In the aftermath of “Captain America: Civil War,” Scott Lang (Rudd) grapples with the consequences of his choices as both a Super Hero and a father. As he struggles to rebalance his home life with his responsibilities as Ant-Man, he’s confronted by Hope van Dyne (Lilly) and Dr. Hank Pym (Douglas) with an urgent new mission. Scott must once again put on the suit and learn to fight alongside The Wasp as the team works together to uncover secrets from their past.

edited 1st Aug '17 10:12:13 AM by comicwriter

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#73540: Aug 1st 2017 at 10:18:17 AM

So I guess this movie will be about finding the original Wasp, who is somewhere in the Quantum Realm, maybe even the Microverse? I assumed Lang was in asylum in Wakanda?

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#73541: Aug 1st 2017 at 10:19:27 AM

"that I guess explains why they would find apes sacred."

No it doesn't. He's a monkey.

And assuming they worship Hanuman they'd have to worship Ramma. And he's an avatar of Shiva. Like unless they also acknowledge the existence of these gods they can't really be said to worship Hanuman.

This is an odd turn .

...Oooh I'd better practice my offended face!

edited 1st Aug '17 10:22:55 AM by thatindiantroper

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#73542: Aug 1st 2017 at 10:25:54 AM

[up][up][up]So they're ignoring the fact that Scott is technically a war criminal on the run because....

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#73543: Aug 1st 2017 at 10:28:58 AM

Because it's Marvel and fuck consequences.

You can unleash the Hulk onto a crowd of innocent people and be a simpering woobie in time for the sequel.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73544: Aug 1st 2017 at 10:29:00 AM

No it doesn't. He's a monkey.

Monkeys and apes are sister groups. It makes entire sense they would ascribe their belief to a similar native animal they have in their lands.

edited 1st Aug '17 10:39:48 AM by comicwriter

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73546: Aug 1st 2017 at 10:35:03 AM

[up][up][up][up]I mean, it says right there "In the aftermath of 'Captain America: Civil War,' Scott Lang (Rudd) grapples with the consequences of his choices as both a Super Hero and a father."

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#73547: Aug 1st 2017 at 10:36:14 AM

Oh Jesus Christ, time for another Wandabate.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#73548: Aug 1st 2017 at 10:42:46 AM

Well CW pretty much ignored his character arc in his own movie anyway (for the sake of "hey wouldn't it be fun if Ant Man made a glorified extended cameo in the movie" type of deal. So Marvel's done this before.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73549: Aug 1st 2017 at 10:44:44 AM

Well CW pretty much ignored his character arc in his own movie anyway (for the sake of "hey wouldn't it be fun if Ant Man made a glorified extended cameo in the movie" type of deal. So Marvel's done this before.

Once again, I'm not sure where people are getting the idea it's ignoring the aftermath of Civil War when it mentions the movie right there and says he's living with the consequences of his choices. Are people seeing a completely different synopsis than the one written there?

And given that Infinity War is also dealing with Cap's Avengers being wanted fugitives after the movie (hence Blonde Widow and Bearded Cap) I don't know why people would assume that's not the case here.

edited 1st Aug '17 10:45:45 AM by comicwriter

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#73550: Aug 1st 2017 at 10:49:34 AM

It definitely does sound like it's acknowledging Civil War.

I just want to know where it takes place relative to Infinity War.

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