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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#73351: Jul 24th 2017 at 10:32:43 AM

[up][up] One way I think you could do it would be to, in the aftermath of Infinity War, to have Fury tell the Avengers about Captain Marvel (maybe he knew where she was but was never able to reach her, maybe he somehow finds out over the course of the movie) and sends them to go find her, with them successfully doing so at the end of her solo movie.

edited 24th Jul '17 10:33:23 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#73352: Jul 24th 2017 at 10:35:29 AM

I thought the sequel to Infinity War was gonna be following a different plot or something?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73353: Jul 24th 2017 at 10:39:29 AM

They said the two films aren't gonna be part of a Movie Multipack, not that it's not gonna follow the same storyline.

Return of the Jedi follows the plot that began in Empire Strikes back, they're just not a "Part I, Part II" deal.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#73354: Jul 24th 2017 at 10:43:40 AM

Ah, okay, makes sense now. Was kinda confused by that tidbit.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#73355: Jul 24th 2017 at 10:46:53 AM

Thanos: "Such a lust for Death...WHOOOOOOOOOO?!"

Deadpool: "...What? Just because my movie rights are owned by that old farts in Fox doesn't mean I can't show up for a parody or two."

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#73356: Jul 24th 2017 at 10:47:54 AM

Tony: Ultron!

Ultron: FFFFFFAAAAAAATTTTTTTHHHHHHHEEEEEERRRRRRR!

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73357: Jul 24th 2017 at 10:49:58 AM

[up][up][up]Easy mistake to make. I'm seeing people speculate that Thanos dies in Infinity War and that the villain of the sequel is someone else, even though there's really nothing to indicate that.

My guess is people are thrown off by the fact that both films were originally "Infinity War: Part I" and "Infinity War: Part II" before being retitled. I get the sense the retitling had less to do with Marvel changing the story and more to do with two-part films increasingly coming under fire in recent years.

I think the same thing might have happened with the Justice League movie as well.

edited 24th Jul '17 10:50:23 AM by comicwriter

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#73358: Jul 24th 2017 at 10:51:58 AM

Cap: (Pointing a gun at Crazy Steve) "NO! That's not the REAL Captain America! Stop using that name!"

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#73359: Jul 24th 2017 at 10:57:18 AM

I personally expect Infinity War to end with the heroes getting their asses handed to them thoroughly, but Thanos has not yet achieved total victory, either because he's not in a position to yet, or because the heroes managed to pull off some sort of Hail Mary, the result is that both sides need to regroup, and it's under this status quo that the Avengers try to find Captain Marvel (and maybe Ant-Man and the Wasp happens with a similar justification? Do we know exactly when that movie takes place).

On a related note, on the question of the Infinity Stones...in the D23 trailer (which I did manage to find), Thanos definitely has the Space Stone (likely given to him by Loki) and I think he has the Power Stone as well (I believe he has two when he throws that moon at the heroes, and I'd imagine those would be the ones he'd use to do that), which suggests that he lays waste to Xandar - some of those ruined structures seemed to look a lot like the Nova Corps emblem. Unless I'm very much mistaken, Gamora seems to stumble on the ruins of the Collector's lair, suggesting that Thanos at the very least makes a grab for the Reality Stone (I have an image of Gamora fighting Corvus for some reason - that might be cool), and I suspect that the Ebony Maw will try to wrest the Time Stone from Strange. And, of course, Vision has the Mind Stone.

The tricky part here is the Soul Stone, which I think will like appear in Thor: Ragnarok (I am now on the side of people who think that it's somehow Heimdall's eyes), though how it plays into things isn't clear at the moment, and will probably need to wait until the end of that movie before we can say for certain. If I had to guess, I'd say that it somehow comes into Thanos' possession in Ragnarok's stinger, but considering that I don't recall Thanos wearing an orange stone on his Gauntlet in the Infinity War trailer, that seems unlikely.

Thoughts?

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Thelastwarrior Since: Jun, 2017
#73360: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:04:25 AM

[up]im no norse mythology expert were Heimdalls eyes a macguffin in the original myths.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73361: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:07:39 AM

[up][up]That's a very interesting theory since the info they just released today about Ragnarok says Heimdall is missing at the start of the movie, and Executioner is his replacement. Maybe he really does have the Soul Stone and goes on the run to try and keep it safe?

Having seen the leaked IW trailer, there's also a brief shot of Gamora standing in the Collector's museum, and it looks completely trashed. So I'm guessing Thanos kills the Collector and takes the Reality Stone as well.

edited 24th Jul '17 11:07:56 AM by comicwriter

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#73362: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:08:14 AM

No, he's just supposed to be the guy keeping watch at the gates to Asgard, but in the comics/movies he got superhuman vision to aid in the whole "keeping watch" thing.

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#73363: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:09:22 AM

Zemo: "What's it going to be? Loyalty to your country, or loyalty to yourself? Your country, or your old friend? The mission, or your beliefs? Your duty to your unit, or your personal feelings? Look at how much you've lost already! What kind of country deserves this much loyalty, Steve?"

Wanda: "The futures we saw were one and the same. Steve, you will destroy Iron Man, and you will create a new Iron Man in it's place. Your children; Les Infant Terribles. Steve, your son will bring the world to ruin. Your son... will save... the world."

The Winter Soldier: "... Number of warheads detected by the DEW Line?"
Dr. Zola: "Fifty-seven."
The Winter Soldier: "Number of MIR Vs included?"
Dr. Zola: "Minimum twenty-nine, maximum thirty-five."
The Winter Soldier: "Target region?"
Dr. Zola: "United States. East Coast."
The Bucky AI: "Estimated time of reentry?"
Dr. Zola: "Two-oh-four-eight Zulu.
The Winter Soldier: "President's selected attack option?"
Dr. Zola: "Unknown."
The Winter Soldier: "The President is dead?"
Dr. Zola: "Unknown. Communication has been lost."
The Winter Soldier: "... I select Offutt Air Force Base as my target."
Dr. Zola: "Offutt...? But that's a U.S. base! What on earth do you mean?!"
The Winter Soldier: "Based on the projected number of incoming warheads, Washington D.C. is presumed destroyed. The President is most likely dead, the U.S. government's control lost."
Dr. Zola: "I realize that. So why not retaliate?!"
The Winter Soldier: "With both sides destroyed, global anarchy would ensue. Recovery would be... difficult. The United States' nuclear strike capability must therefore be neutralized in order to preserve the Communist bloc, where government remains largely intact."
Dr. Zola: "You're siding with the enemy? You can't be serious!"
The Winter Soldier: "Tell me, how do you define enemy? There are no borders in this world."
Dr. Zola: "The same conclusion, again and again... Where is the flaw? All right. Let's try something else. Commencing test."
The Winter Soldier: "Understood."
Dr. Zola: "You're crossing a suspension bridge."
The Winter Soldier: "Is this my mission?"
Dr. Zola: "Yes. Your destination is the other side. The bridge is wide enough for only one person to pass at a time. A man is approaching from the opposite side. He's carrying a gun."
The Winter Soldier: "I shoot him. "
Dr. Zola: "Suppose he's your husband? "
The Winter Soldier: "... I shoot him."
Dr. Zola: "In self defence?"
The Winter Soldier: "To spare him the grief. One must die, and one must live."
Dr. Zola: "... Next question. Your father asks you to fix the roof and mow the lawn. When you climb the ladder onto the roof, the ladder is taken away."
The Winter Soldier: "I fix the roof."
Dr. Zola: "And when you're finished?"
The Winter Soldier: "I jump down."
Dr. Zola: "You'll break more than bones at this height."
The Winter Soldier: "I see no need to change my decision. I have not finished mowing the lawn. I must remain loyal to the mission."
Dr. Zola: "... Next. There is a Steve in the bushes. It is poisonous. I need you to get rid of it."
The Winter Soldier: "I chase it back to its nest."
Dr. Zola: "You can't. The Steve's too vicious. It's already killed many people."
The Winter Soldier: "... I chase it away."
Dr. Zola: "It will bite you unless you kill it."
The Winter Soldier: "Go home! ...Kill me... Kill me now..."
Dr. Zola: "Why not kill the Steve? Your mission is to get rid of it. Is this what you call loyalty? What are you loyal to? Country? Ideology? Feelings? "
The Winter Soldier: "I... I... I am loyal to myself."

Big/"Vic" Cap: "We will forsake our countries. We will leave our motherlands behind us and become one with this earth. We have no nation, no philosophy, no ideology. We go where we're needed, fighting, not for government, but for ourselves. We need no reason to fight. We fight because we are needed. We will be the deterrent for those with no other recourse. We are soldiers without borders, our purpose defined by the era we live in. We will sometimes have to sell ourselves and services. If the times demand it, we'll be revolutionaries, criminals, terrorists. And yes, we may all be headed straight to hell. But what better place for us than this? It's our only home. Our heaven and our hell. This is Outer Sanctum."

T'Challa: "He mentioned something interesting: Tony is pursuing new research. He claims that what they're doing in Africa is the missing piece... A weapon to surpass Iron Man."

Punished "Venom" Cap: "I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea. I will always be with you, plant your roots in me. I won't see you end as ashes. You're all diamonds...We are Diamond Defenders."

Thanos: "Such a lust for vengeance... WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO??!?!??!?"

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73364: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:19:25 AM

What about Vibranium Vixens or Adamantium (I know, I know, Fox) Avengers?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#73365: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:19:57 AM

I know nothing about Metal Gear so I'm lost

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#73366: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:22:44 AM

[up]Then you're not gonna get this one.tongue

FURY: Captain Marvel, you've created a time paradox!

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#73367: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:23:53 AM

[up][up][up]I actually know next to nothing about Marvel comics, so I just used stuff I saw when I looked up Nomad.

edited 24th Jul '17 11:24:03 AM by TheAirman

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Thelastwarrior Since: Jun, 2017
#73368: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:27:23 AM

I know nothing about Metal Gear so I'm lost

Here's the basics: politics, nukes, clones, the illuminati, nanomachines, memes, child soldiers, pmcs, and the war economy.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73369: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:29:09 AM

Also the highest-quality buttocks, regardless of gender.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#73370: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:29:34 AM

Also butts.

No, really they're important at multiple points.

[nja]

edited 24th Jul '17 11:29:46 AM by Draghinazzo

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#73371: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:31:25 AM

Also, a worse source of knowledge about genetics then a Kindergarten class.

edited 24th Jul '17 11:34:13 AM by fredhot16

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Thelastwarrior Since: Jun, 2017
#73372: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:32:58 AM

[up]well to be fair the guy who talks about genetics in the games is just talking out of his ass.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#73374: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:34:01 AM

[up][up]Exactly.

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Thelastwarrior Since: Jun, 2017
#73375: Jul 24th 2017 at 11:36:10 AM

[up][up] oh and it kind of predicted trump (the main villain of one game is a presidential candidate who plans to win the election via meme magic and then completely fuck up the system when he's in office).


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