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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#73276: Jul 23rd 2017 at 2:41:46 PM

Watch it to get caught up but don't expect anything good. Maybe have some aspirin by your side if the fight scenes give you headaches, I had to take a couple ibuprofen while watching some of those poorly edited fights. At the very least it'll let you know a bit about the Hand, Danny, Colleen, and that Bakuto fella from the second Defenders trailer.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#73277: Jul 23rd 2017 at 2:44:47 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Shrinking technology already violates everything we know about how matter works, so I don't see the issue.

edited 23rd Jul '17 2:45:24 PM by RavenWilder

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#73278: Jul 23rd 2017 at 2:45:52 PM

I think it's worth watching in its own right, so yes.

Though you'll definitely need to watch it going into Defenders, it's pretty obviously following up on it.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73279: Jul 23rd 2017 at 2:47:37 PM

wonder if there's something contractual where Scarjo asked that she no longer be required to dye her hair red, which is strange because the red hair is a pretty damn iconic visual aspect of Natasha Romanova's appearance.

I don't see why. She's a fugitive from justice and living on the run. Hiding your iconic hair color seems like one of the first things you'd do if you were trying to avoid being found.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73280: Jul 23rd 2017 at 2:56:25 PM

True, I just figured she'd go back to her "real" haircolor once the action started back up. Then again Cap has his beard on the poster.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73281: Jul 23rd 2017 at 3:11:25 PM

So since the Chitauri were originally created as the Ultimate version of the Skrulls, I'd love if Captain Marvel has a scene where the Skrulls are shown to be offended at being confused for them.

"The Chitauri? Really? Those guys suck!"

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Funny but not helpful
#73283: Jul 23rd 2017 at 3:29:07 PM

Shapeshifters but they had to eat people to shapeshift. Because edginess.

... There sure was a lot of cannibalism in the Ultimate universe.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#73284: Jul 23rd 2017 at 4:22:04 PM

I had a thought for a way to end the Captain Marvel movie/have as The Stinger (possibly undermined by that movie not being out in the immediate future).

So, Carol ends the movie lost in space, but with the Skrulls and Kree defeated and has Nick Fury back on Earth some time afterward feeling saddened at losing an agent, and talking to (take your pick) Everett Ross, Sharon Carter, or Maria Hill. And then after Fury leaves, the camera zooms in on Ross/Carter/Hill, who turns into a Skrull.

So kind of a reverse of the Hydra reveal as this time the audience will know before the characters do and would call into questions the actions and motivations of the character in the previous movies.

edited 23rd Jul '17 4:23:28 PM by Hodor2

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#73285: Jul 23rd 2017 at 4:42:00 PM

I like it. I vote Ross. Least gross in retrospect (Cap kissed a skrull? Yikes.)

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#73286: Jul 23rd 2017 at 4:49:15 PM

I'd like to have at least one Obstructive Bureaucrat in the MCU who really is just the way he/she appears to be, and doesn't turn out to be an evil conspirator in disguise, so I vote Sharon.

edited 23rd Jul '17 4:50:03 PM by KnownUnknown

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#73287: Jul 23rd 2017 at 4:50:37 PM

Well, Ross is your straightforward Hydraesque "moral ambiguous character is secretly a puppy-eating villain", although I'm also taking into account Ross apparently being more heroic in Black Panther than he was in Civil War.

The Sharon option is deliberately creepy and I was thinking of an element of Becoming the Mask since it would mean that the Sharon whose been caring for Peggy for the last decade is an impostor.

With Hill, I was thinking of her mostly because she's been in the MCU from the beginning. It could also lead to a humorous reveal that the "actual Maria Hill" is like the comic book Maria Hill in personality, in contrast to the friendly Maria Hill we've known so far in the MCU.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#73288: Jul 23rd 2017 at 4:52:40 PM

I'd suggest Senator Stern as a joke example - being both Hydra and a Skrull - but with his actor's death, that's not really doable.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#73289: Jul 23rd 2017 at 4:56:22 PM

Now I want a spin-off story about a Skrull disguised as a member of S.H.I.E.L.D. who didn't know when it was time to reveal himself so when Hydra took over he just went along with it thinking the Skrulls were responsible, unwittingly becoming a member of Hydra in the process.

edited 23rd Jul '17 4:59:00 PM by LordVatek

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#73290: Jul 23rd 2017 at 4:58:18 PM

When was Ross a villain in Civil War? He's basically just a guy who stands around doing nothing.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#73291: Jul 23rd 2017 at 4:59:04 PM

See, I don't like the idea that Peggy could be fooled by a squirrel. I do think it would be interesting to have a skrull Ross, who candidly says that he acted exactly as the real Ross would have.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#73292: Jul 23rd 2017 at 4:59:51 PM

I was actually thinking of it from the opposite angle, which is part of why I suggested Sharon. The idea would be that they were taken aback by the Hydra thing since they didn't get any signal to start conquest of Earth, so they enthusiastically fought against Hydra, because Hydra taking over wouldn't serve their ultimate aims and also inconvenienced them in the short term.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#73293: Jul 23rd 2017 at 5:00:16 PM

Hill would probably carry the most impact, because she's the one out of those 3 that we know best.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#73294: Jul 23rd 2017 at 5:00:28 PM

[up]x5 [lol]

Now I'm thinking of a character who managed to secretly be an agent of basically every faction in the MCU.

So Revolver Ocelot, but a Skrull.

[up][up][up] I mean, Skrulls are generally very good at this sort of thing. Peggy would hardly be alone in being fooled.

edited 23rd Jul '17 5:02:25 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
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it's a living
#73295: Jul 23rd 2017 at 5:03:50 PM

I don't like the idea of Peggy being fooled by a squirrel

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edited 23rd Jul '17 5:04:48 PM by Unsung

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#73296: Jul 23rd 2017 at 5:03:52 PM

And then Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. manages to bring back Ward again in Skrull form.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#73297: Jul 23rd 2017 at 5:10:33 PM

Remember Ward? He's back! In Skrull form.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#73298: Jul 23rd 2017 at 5:14:40 PM

[up][up][up] stupid autocorrect... xD

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#73299: Jul 23rd 2017 at 5:16:23 PM

I think Hill being a Skrull would have the same emotional impact as Sitwell being HYDRA. Especially if they throw in the detail about some people being Skrull sleeper agents and not even knowing it until they're activated.

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#73300: Jul 23rd 2017 at 5:21:06 PM

Coulson was a Skrull the whole time.


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