TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#73226: Jul 23rd 2017 at 6:08:21 AM

I'm getting the impression that all superhero antics before the watershed that was Tony Stark's "...I am Iron Man" press conference were kept strictly top secret. It'd still be really cool if a young Kamala had met Carol Danvers as a child and been sworn to secrecy, though, growing up having known about it all this time.

Given that we now have Zemo, Shocker, Mac Gargan, and Ghost confirmed, I'll be pretty surprised if Karla Sofen isn't in Captain Marvel in some capacity, even if it's not as Moonstone. Black Widow, Hawkeye, General Ross, they could get a pretty good adaptation going. What a time.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#73227: Jul 23rd 2017 at 6:11:24 AM

[up][up]yeah, peter is Nice but we need more younger héroes

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73228: Jul 23rd 2017 at 6:51:14 AM

It just occurred to me...if Hela is also a stand-in for dead, is it possible that the Thor movie will be a lead-in to infinity war? I mean when Thor is out there, he might learn about Thanos.....

They've confirmed Ragnarok is a lead-in to Infinity War, yes.

Things change drastically in Ragnarok and then build directly into Infinity War.

The fact that the Infinity War trailer still has Thor with short hair would indicate it picks up only a short time after Ragnarok. I wonder if perhaps Hela is thwarted but not decisively defeated at the end of the movie, allowing her to escape and return in Infinity War.

And considering they have a bunch of older actors playing the male superheroes while all the female ones are in their 20s to 30s I don't see what's wrong with letting a character who's expected to be an older woman actually be played by one for once.

Yeah especially when you have Michael Douglas and Laurence Fishburne playing Janet's contemporaries, having a 30-something play her would just seem like the perfect illustration of how Hollywood hates older women.

edited 23rd Jul '17 7:13:27 AM by comicwriter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#73229: Jul 23rd 2017 at 6:57:59 AM

Do we need teen heroes in the MCU though? Spider-Man is whatever because popular.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73230: Jul 23rd 2017 at 7:14:03 AM

I think it's interesting territory to explore given how old the median age is. We still don't have a lot of "regular guy" heroes in the movies anyway other than Spider-Man and maybe Ant-Man.

edited 23rd Jul '17 7:14:17 AM by comicwriter

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#73231: Jul 23rd 2017 at 7:49:14 AM

Aww, I missed the leaked IW trailer!

Got a message saying something about copyrights. sad

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#73232: Jul 23rd 2017 at 8:00:15 AM

I guess sooner or later there will be a young avengers movie...I mean as soon as the current bunch retires (I mean Doctor Strange, Ant-man, Captain Marvel aso, not the original six), the next logical step would be the next generation, featuring Cassie Lang, Kamala Kahn, Amadeus Cho aso.

[up] you didn't miss much....the vid was taken from such an odd angle that you could only see the upper triangle of the screen anyway.

edited 23rd Jul '17 8:01:22 AM by Swanpride

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#73233: Jul 23rd 2017 at 8:26:46 AM

The fact that the Infinity War trailer still has Thor with short hair would indicate it picks up only a short time after Ragnarok. I wonder if perhaps Hela is thwarted but not decisively defeated at the end of the movie, allowing her to escape and return in Infinity War.

Maybe The Bad Guy Wins?

[up]Exactly. It was very hard to understand what was going on in the trailer between the angle, the cut screen and the bad sound quality. What I did understand was that The Guardians find Thor drifting in space, they rescue him. He says some stuff, then there's a bunch of reaction shots to Thanos invading Earth and a scene with Loki grabbing the Tesseract. There was more stuff but I couldn't make sense of it.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#73234: Jul 23rd 2017 at 9:34:04 AM

Couple of thoughts:

First, that Ragnorak trailer was amazing. I want to start a religion based around it.

I'm interested to see how setting Captain Marvel in the 90's works. Cool to have the Skrulls in the MCU. Kind of worried about Secret Invasion in the sense that while it's a cool story line and could theoretically transition into Norman Osborn and Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers stuff, I kind of worry about the Skrull!Cap thing, since his rep has already suffered a lot both in and out of universe. Better than the current Nazi!Cap of the comics though (please do not touch this one, MCU).

Main thing I wanted to comment on was the Ant-Man castings. Some quite good choices. I'd guess because of the actor's age that this version of Bill Foster (the only thing I know about him was that he was killed in the comics' Civil War) is probably an old colleague and/or friend of Hank and Janet and potentially had the particles in his blood for a while. Given Hank's characterization, my first thought is that this is another person he alienated following Janet's accident.

Apparently Goggins isn't Crossfire but is some other comics character who I've never heard of who worked for him. With the presence of Ghost, definitely thinking some more corporate espionage will occur.

Regarding Ghost, that's an interesting choice. Although there's likely to be some changes in backstory and personality given the race and gender lift of the character, I recalled that in the comic Ghost's possibly made-up backstory, he was formerly a corporate drone who got screwed over by the evil company he worked for. Which sounds a lot like Scott's backstory in the MCU. Just more traumatic in a way that caused Ghost's Face–Heel Turn. While I'm not sure I'd expect Hannah John-Kamen to have the comics Ghost's Rorschach-like Crazy Homeless People/ Conspiracy Theorist angle, Ghost's supposed backstory makes him (her) a really good Evil Counterpart for Scott Lang.

JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
#73235: Jul 23rd 2017 at 9:35:44 AM

I found a marginally better leaked trailer:

[up]The Korean Church of Asgard seems like a good place for you.

edited 23rd Jul '17 9:37:21 AM by JRads47

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#73236: Jul 23rd 2017 at 9:40:45 AM

Final Avengers: Infinity War poster[1]

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#73238: Jul 23rd 2017 at 9:50:22 AM

[up]Even the Scarlet Witch wants some! Enough to try to grab him!

Must be the beard.

edited 23rd Jul '17 9:52:05 AM by fredhot16

Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#73239: Jul 23rd 2017 at 9:50:34 AM

Why does Natasha have white hair?

IS PETER GONNA DIE?!

When does Thanos throw the planet?

My various fanfics.
Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#73240: Jul 23rd 2017 at 9:55:53 AM

I'd love to see Peggy Carter appear in Captain Marvel. She'd still be involved in SHIELD (perhaps as director) in the 90's.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#73242: Jul 23rd 2017 at 10:05:22 AM

Mmm, I don't know about that. I'd prefer a teenage Kamala, since we're lacking superheroes on the younger side

Why wouldn't she be a teenager?

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#73243: Jul 23rd 2017 at 10:07:47 AM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13125974270A57100500&page=2930#73232

Normally, I can't stand looking at videos that were obviously recorded with a phone. Having said that, THIS JUST MADE ME WANT MARVEL TO OFFICIALLY UPLOAD IT ALREADY AHHHHHHHHH.

Also, Captain Marvel is totally going to do the Kree-Skrull War.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73244: Jul 23rd 2017 at 10:34:09 AM

[up]The Kree-Skrull War stuff was already posted yesterday, dude.

[up][up][up][up][up]Well, they're both on the run now.

edited 23rd Jul '17 10:35:07 AM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#73246: Jul 23rd 2017 at 10:42:47 AM

We still don't have any idea about the villain, right?

edited 23rd Jul '17 10:42:59 AM by KnownUnknown

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#73247: Jul 23rd 2017 at 10:44:12 AM

So, wait, Captain Marvel's going to take place during the 90's? I like this development. Way back in the first Iron Man before Marvel really had a firm direction for where they were going, Nick Fury said to Tony Stark in the stinger that broke audience's minds, "You think you're the only superhero in the world? Mr. Stark, you've become part of a bigger universe. You just don't know it yet."

Thus far, this proclamation has proven to be horseshit. Once the MCU congealed into a direction, Thor became the MCU's "First Flight of the Fantastic Four" moment. The point at which superheroes started being a thing in the public eye. The big moment that changed the world forever.

Iron Man predates that, which means that at the time, he was the only superhero in the world and there was no bigger universe for Fury to speak of. What was an earth-shattering speech for its time is now a plot hole. Stark didn't join anything; he was here first. The bigger universe grew around him.

For years, the closest thing to what Fury could possibly have been talking about is that America had a super-soldier once who's been dead for decades.

The bits Ant-Man established about Hank and Janet's adventures during the Cold War helped give more of a foundation for Fury's iconic speech. Captain Marvel taking place in the 90's sounds like it should help as well. We need more superhero stories that predate Iron Man to make it feel less like everything began with him.

edited 23rd Jul '17 10:45:30 AM by TobiasDrake

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73248: Jul 23rd 2017 at 10:44:18 AM

[up][up]Ghost and an obscure Iron Man character named Sonny Burch are the announced villains thus far.

edited 23rd Jul '17 10:44:54 AM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73249: Jul 23rd 2017 at 10:58:12 AM

I like that the Ant-Man and the Wasp poster features Luis prominently one it [lol]

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73250: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:02:11 AM

Interview with Joe Russo. He says there's a simple explanation for Thanos' new look, and it's that he has no use for armor anymore now that he has the Stones.


Total posts: 186,763
Top