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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#73102: Jul 21st 2017 at 11:38:57 PM

I mean, Matt's a really good lawyer too; one reviewer who saw the episode said that the first scene of Matt in court is the best non-hallway-fight scene any of the Marvel Netflix shows has done, period. It's just that Claire apparently felt it more apropos to send Foggy to go bail Luke out.

Also, there's apparently a funny exchange something along the lines of this:

Foggy: My name's Franklin Percy Nelson, but my friends call me "Foggy".
Luke: ...And you let them?

And one other detail people noticed, the color coordination isn't just a trailer-exclusive thing; whenever the scene changes to focus on a different Defender there's always a lot of their representative color prominent in the shot. I even noticed in the second trailer that one fight scene featuring Matt and Jessica had red and purple lighting. tongue

edited 22nd Jul '17 12:03:58 AM by Anomalocaris20

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#73103: Jul 22nd 2017 at 12:04:09 AM

So, not looking at the Spoilers but...YEAH!!!! A second season of Iron Fist!!! I mean it will most likely take ages to get there but I was fearing they would just let it fall under the table.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#73104: Jul 22nd 2017 at 12:06:29 AM

Matt's a really terrible lawyer, in particular is a very terrible defense attorney, and he's going to keep being terrible at it until he both a) rids himself of that black and white mentality he has going on, and b) stops using his job as a front for his activities as Daredevil. Neither of which are going to happen.

He's not great at being a superhero either, but it's clear that that's more his calling than defending people in court is. That scene in the first season where he blatantly botches his case in order to push his client's crooked backers into fixing the trial is painful to watch - of course, that it's all him setting it up so he can take advantage of things as Daredevil, but it's not hard to see why Foggy was coming to the conclusion that he's unreliable at best, a terrible partner at worst even before he found out that he's Daredevil.

I'll admit, though, that his lawyering in the second season is better than his lawyering in the first.

edited 22nd Jul '17 12:13:40 AM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#73105: Jul 22nd 2017 at 12:14:44 AM

By virtue of not being there? tongue

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#73106: Jul 22nd 2017 at 12:29:59 AM

[up][up] Okay, I don't remember that court scene that well, but I thought it was supposed to be that Matt made a genuinely good defense, but the mob guys decided to rig the outcome anyway just to be sure.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73107: Jul 22nd 2017 at 4:02:51 AM

Aww, I really wanted Daughters of the Dragon instead of Iron Fist 2. More Misty might get me to watch it, but only if they get rid of Scott Buck.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#73108: Jul 22nd 2017 at 5:12:33 AM

Matt's a great lawyer:

I'm also glad about IF season 2, since they seem to be setting up the beautiful Seven Cities arc. I really want to see FAT COBRA in it. Now all they need to do is ''use RZA as a showrunner and we'll be in the clear.

Also, on the spoilers:

Punisher clip featured him running over some Dogs of Hell with his car, and sniping a cartel member in Mexico... from across the border in Texas

Oh joy. This is exactly what we need in this political environment.

edited 22nd Jul '17 5:15:41 AM by Gaon

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#73109: Jul 22nd 2017 at 5:16:23 AM

Mike Colter on Luke and Jessica's relationship during Defenders[1]

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#73111: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:15:46 AM

[up][up][up]

<shrug>

I can see where that might swing on way on the positive-negative dial, as what he's ostensibly doing there is forcing the jury to accept reasonable doubt. But what hit me as a sign he's not cut out to be a defense attorney is what he's actually doing there: asking them to throw out topics of morality and the content of either the defendant or the victim's character (basically the opposite of a defense attorney's is supposed to do, especially when they're trying to prove self defense) and focus on only the bare facts.

But the only fact in the case is that his client murdered someone, and he reiterates that several times, and some heresay that they can't actually prove. So he says "we know for a fact that this guy killed someone, that's a fact. We don't know anything else. Are you willing to send him to jail when we know so little?" while making sure time and again that his client actually did do the crime, and (what really clinches it) indicating that he himself doubts his client's self defense claim towards the end while halfheartedly making the case that whether the claim is believable matters less than the fact that the claim is the only thing we have.

And the context makes it more obvious - we know that what he actually wanted was for the guy to lead Daredevil to his boss, and that he's hoping the jury won't be bought off and will send him to jail, which muddles things as well. The whole thing felt like him trying to implore the jury one last time to make the right decision and not let money tell them what to do.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#73113: Jul 22nd 2017 at 10:26:20 AM

So whoever Alexandra is, she's either powerful or influential enough to boss Gao around like an intern.

It still hits the problem that the Hand have had to deal with, though: after two seasons of appearances we still know jack all about Gao's deal or her place in things, so this authority worfing she gets here doesn't hit as hard as it could.

edited 22nd Jul '17 10:31:19 AM by KnownUnknown

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Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#73114: Jul 22nd 2017 at 11:02:17 AM

Well Alexandra seems to be higher up than even Gao and Bakuto are, and I'm still confused about how the hell the hierarchy of the Hand even works.

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#73115: Jul 22nd 2017 at 11:06:38 AM

Raven Metzner to replace Scott Buck as Iron Fist showrunner[1]

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#73116: Jul 22nd 2017 at 11:10:08 AM

I have literally no idea who that is and a Google search for him pulls up a really weird list of credits on IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1360299/

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#73117: Jul 22nd 2017 at 11:16:59 AM

Maybe Alexandra is a thumb and Gao is just a finger

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73118: Jul 22nd 2017 at 11:19:49 AM

Producer and writer for Elektra? Umm...

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#73119: Jul 22nd 2017 at 11:20:16 AM

Didn't Elektra have, like, a ton of executive meddling in place?

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#73120: Jul 22nd 2017 at 11:21:56 AM

He also showran Sleepy Hollow, which I never watched but heard good things about. So hey, that's good. Can't be worse than Scott Buck.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#73121: Jul 22nd 2017 at 11:24:21 AM

I heard Sleepy Hollow started off good but then it sucked badly after a while.

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#73122: Jul 22nd 2017 at 11:35:08 AM

New posters for Black Panther and Thor: Ragnarok[1]

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73123: Jul 22nd 2017 at 11:40:19 AM

I hope these are going to be the official promo posters elsewhere, because their composition is way better than the ones for Spider-Man Homecoming.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73124: Jul 22nd 2017 at 12:21:53 PM

That Black Panther poster should've been the first one they released, lol.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016

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