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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#73076: Jul 20th 2017 at 9:45:15 PM

I think that blue is from the lighting coming off some of the blue things in the room.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#73077: Jul 20th 2017 at 9:52:22 PM

It's hard to tell. The second image does look like the outfit itself is giving off a natural blue shade, but is otherwise identical to the first image sans cape and helmet. If he did get a recolored outfit, then was he just dipped in blue dye at some point? Is there a plot reason for it? wild mass guesswild mass guesswild mass guess

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#73078: Jul 20th 2017 at 10:01:49 PM

Maybe it's showing Loki in Thanos's team colours, showing that he's going to be on Thanos's side come Infinity War. I know why they chose those colours (in the old four-colour days, you didn't have a lot of options for high-contrast colour schemes that looked good) but it's funny to me that those are also the X-Men's colours as well.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#73079: Jul 20th 2017 at 10:20:05 PM

I think we just have to wait and see when it comes to Medusa's hair. I am ready to bet that the animation of it isn't done yet, which is part of the reason why we have seen so little of her in the trailers so far. But even if it doesn't look really great in the end that is an area where I am ready to cut them some slack. Animating hair is HARD! And in this case they are supposed to animate hair in a way that it still looks natural but also kind of moves on its own all this in a real looking setting instead of an animated movie. It actually doesn't matter WHAT they do under those circumstances, we will claim that "it looks fake" because no matter how perfect, our brain tells us that those movements aren't possible.

In case you haven't noticed yet, but CGI is nowadays so good that it can make us believe anything as long as it is still believable. Even in TV. Agent Carter was full of CGI, to the brim in fact, but mot people didn't even notice, because the CGI was mostly used to give it the 1940s feel. Agents of Shield has outstanding CGI not just for a TV show, but also compared to a lot of movies. The Ghost Rider effects were all kind of awesome. But no matter what, when they go all superpowers you still know that this is CGI because it HAS to be, it can't be real.

Medusa's hair is problematic on every level. Hair is incredible difficult to animate, in this case it is attached to a real looking person in a real looking setting, so you can't get away with making it unrealistic to avoid the uncanny valley, but it is also nearly impossible to make it look realistic because no matter what, the audience knows how hair actually movie - or doesn't.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#73080: Jul 20th 2017 at 10:27:57 PM

Her hair looks adequate. The animation on it looks fine. *She* looks terrible, though. That hairstyle, that dress, the particular colours they chose for each aspect of her just don't work.

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#73081: Jul 21st 2017 at 12:17:06 AM

It should've been a movie.

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#73082: Jul 21st 2017 at 1:06:16 AM

Just saying something that occurred to me;

When I heard about the Venom movie, I'd thought it'd probably be interesting to emphasize a fundamental contrast between the characters. Peter attends a specialized academic school, Eddie attends a public school distinctly not on the "up and up" in terms of repute. Peter is the smart guy trying to work with Stark, Eddie's the jock, trying to get out of poor circumstances by becoming either a famous football player or a bodybuilder - emphasizing his body more than his mind.

Peter lives with his loving aunt, while Eddie lives with his quite abusive father, who blames him for his mother's death.

Peter always holds back from punching Flash or doing something to him in his civilian identity. Eddie is called "white trash" by Flash and responds with a fist in Flash's face.

Peter rejects the Symbiote after realizing its horrific potential. Eddie sees it as Spiderman trying to destroy something Eddie could have used to ascend out of the circumstances he was born with, something Peter doesn't even need to be powerful - so Eddie bonds with it instead.

Peter's jokes as Spiderman are often nerdy and witty, while Eddie's jokes as Venom are more sports references and bad puns.

What do you guys think? Sony has evidently gone in a different direction, but I'll probably still end up going to see that one.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#73083: Jul 21st 2017 at 1:07:58 AM

I am not so sure about this...as far as I understand it, Inhumans is a little bit like Spider-man in that some of the powers require a movie budget, but the actual stories are more suited for serialized story-telling. Perhaps it is better to sacrifice visuals for a more intricate storytelling.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#73084: Jul 21st 2017 at 6:07:04 AM

In an inherently visual medium like film and TV, jury's out on that one.

Nice look at Karl Urban as Skurge.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
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#73086: Jul 21st 2017 at 7:02:48 AM

That's pretty spot on

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Thelastwarrior Since: Jun, 2017
#73088: Jul 21st 2017 at 7:31:02 AM

Why don't movie studios ever choose the alternate poster.

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#73089: Jul 21st 2017 at 9:27:47 AM

Probably focus group research

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#73090: Jul 21st 2017 at 12:05:16 PM

probably contracts...after all, if an actor is on the poster and in which position is just as important as the billing.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#73091: Jul 21st 2017 at 1:28:25 PM

[up] From what I understand it's mostly a contract issue. Actor contracts (often without the actor's knowledge, since few actors negotiate their own contracts) often have clauses requiering them to be prominently places on the movie's offical poster.

Generally additional posters the studio makes are free from these requirements. Which is why specialty promotional posters are often better than the offical theatrical poster.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#73092: Jul 21st 2017 at 2:31:27 PM

The design for that poster is neat, but I think the color scheme needs more contrast. It's also a bit busy for my taste- too much going on.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
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#73094: Jul 21st 2017 at 7:18:38 PM

Oh god damn it, Bakuto's back.

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#73095: Jul 21st 2017 at 7:19:29 PM

[up]Damn it, go back to the Leaf Village!

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#73096: Jul 21st 2017 at 7:54:41 PM

I liked Bakuto.

Anyway, who's that dude at 1:16 who is being rude and standing on a table?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#73097: Jul 21st 2017 at 9:03:41 PM

I also liked Bokuto, at least more than everyone else associated with the Hand, except Gao. Problem is, the Hand are still not particularly interesting, and we've already dedicated entire seasons of two different shows to trying to poor executions that failed to make them interesting, so I'm really hoping they're a Starter Villain for this series and the big payoff of the season is against another villain of some kind.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#73098: Jul 21st 2017 at 9:30:19 PM

I'm kinda hoping that the only reason the Hand didn't come off as interesting in Daredevil or Iron Fist is because they put all their eggs in the Defenders' basket, but time will tell.

At the very least they're good for fight scenes. To be honest, I'd be fine with most of the character nuance going to the Defenders themselves and their team dynamic, with the Hand as more of a symbolic obstacle for them to overcome as they learn to fight as a team. If they can do that and make the Hand interesting that'd be grand, of course, but realistically speaking one's going to be less developed than the other.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#73099: Jul 21st 2017 at 11:09:44 PM

So, some other details to come out of Comic Con:

Iron Fist is renewed for a second season (and Misty Knight is confirmed to appear prominently in it), Defenders will be renewed for a second season if Netflix and the viewers feel it does well enough (so... yes), the first episode of Defenders was shown to the audience, and a small sequence of Punisher was shown as well.

MEGA SPOILERS:







First Defenders episode basically gives us a day in the life of each character; Matt's doing a pro bono case legal case for a wheelchair-bound kid, goes to see Father Lantom, misses Elektra, and has mostly given up being Daredevil. Jessica Jones is still reluctant about being a hero, and hasn't even fixed her apartment; the door's still busted and there's still a hole in the wall from her fight with Simpson. She also doesn't like Malcolm hanging out at her apartment pretending it's an agency, but gets curious about a case and tracks someone to a warehouse filled with explosives. Good news is, the "one lead killed" that Misty mentioned in the first trailer is almost definitely not Malcolm like some people theorized, but the guy she trailed. Luke gets out of prison; the "really great lawyer" Claire mentioned isn't Matt, but Foggy. Almost immediately after getting home he hits up Claire's place and finally gets coffee with her. Misty's also around, and exposits that Harlem children are mysteriously going missing or dying, including one of Candace Miller's brothers; obviously tying into the weird shit the Hand were doing in Daredevil, but it's clearly Luke's personal stake in the show to protect the children. Danny actually opens the show, with him and Colleen fighting a mysterious cloaked woman (Elektra) in a sewer in Cambodia, then flying home (he still hates airplanes) to seek more answers. We also get some scenes of Alexandra; most of her screentime is exposition, but she still comes across as menacing and powerful right off the bat, and meets with Madame Gao on that rooftop from DD S1. Elektra is her pawn, as the trailer showed, and the episode ends with a big earthquake rocking New York; obviously Hand shenanigans, but we see all four Defenders react to it, like that shot of Luke stopping a streetlight from falling on someone. None of them meet up in the first episode.

Also, for those who are curious about Finn Jones' fight choreography, apparently it's substantially better than it was in Iron Fist (though still not perfect), suggesting that he's either had more time to practice or Defenders just has a better choreographer.

Punisher clip featured him running over some Dogs of Hell with his car, and sniping a cartel member in Mexico... from across the border in Texas. And then strangling a man to death in a bathroom stall, which the other bathroom users interpret as something else and tell them to get a room. So basically, him just murderizing people as usual. That's not much of a spoiler. tongue

edited 21st Jul '17 11:22:51 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#73100: Jul 21st 2017 at 11:32:44 PM

the "really great lawyer" Claire mentioned isn't Matt, but Foggy

HAH!

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