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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#72776: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:18:11 AM

I'd say nominally he counts, though I guess you could argue that Mordo probably counts a bit more.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72777: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:19:32 AM

Part of the reason I want Moonstone is to really make this hypothetical Thunderbolts movie that much more of a possibility. Also because this might be relevant, please warn me if any upcoming Homecoming spoilers would have any bearing on this. Cheers.

Still pulling for a Kree invasion in Captain Marvel. They can use the Supreme Intelligence as the villain— played by Toby Jones, even. That'd be sweeeeet.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#72778: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:21:43 AM

[up] ...Should I wonder why the Supreme Intelligence has the face and voice of Armin Zola?

Oh God! Natural light!
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72779: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:23:19 AM

I can't think of any canonical reason. I just like Toby Jones becoming the MCU's go-to guy for evil computers/disembodied floating heads.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72780: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:24:06 AM

Are those Deathbird and the Brood's rights with Fox or something?
Yeah, Deathbird is one of the Shi'ar and the Brood originated in the X-Men comics. See, the problem is that since Chris Claremont loved writing Carol Danvers, he included her a lot in his X-Men comics and thus a lot of the villains she fights originated from X-Men comics or were connected in some way to the X-Men. For example, Mystique first appeared in Ms. Marvel #16 and was set to be Carol's nemesis, but after Carol's book was cancelled, Claremont moved her over to one of the X-Men's enemies.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#72781: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:24:11 AM

Why is it too late for Enchantress?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#72782: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:24:56 AM

...Okay, bear with me. What if, instead of getting blown up in Winter Soldier, Zola instead beamed his consciousness into SPACE, where he then somehow joined his mind with the Kree Supreme Intelligence, causing it to take on his appearance?

[up] Well, I was assuming that, since she doesn't appear to be showing up with Ragnarok, and I don't believe there will be anymore Thor movies, there won't be anywhere for her to show up. Of course, if there was another Asgardian movie franchise (c'mon, Kid Loki), that could change.

And of course, how Ragnarok ends might affect whether Asgardian character will even show up in later films.

edited 13th Jul '17 1:27:20 AM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72783: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:25:07 AM

[up][up]She's a Thor villain. Are they going to keep making those into the next phase?

[up]I would love that. I'm sure a lot of people would hate it, and they'd be sort of right to do so, but I would *love* that.

edited 13th Jul '17 1:27:38 AM by Unsung

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#72784: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:26:40 AM

Yelena Belova ought to appear, since they never went forward with the theory that Dottie from Agent Carter was her. I also would like to see Titania from She-Hulk. Interesting things could be done with a superhero fan who gets too admiring of the power fantasy.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72785: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:28:58 AM

I still want a She-Hulk movie/show.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#72786: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:29:15 AM

What if, instead of getting blown up in Winter Soldier, Zola instead beamed his consciousness into SPACE

Well, he was activated by a flash drive... a flash drive that housed an AI... whose contents were also sent to a satellite...

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72787: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:30:00 AM

I want Zola to recur like you wouldn't believe.

Like maybe the Kree invasion fleet gobbles up the satellite he's backed himself up to, but in the process of digesting his datastream (please run this metaphor into the ground if possible), the Kree network is somehow infected by ZOLA.exe.

edited 13th Jul '17 1:32:43 AM by Unsung

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72788: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:34:16 AM

Zola is the ultimate malware.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72789: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:38:26 AM

...Happy belated Independence Day, by the way.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#72790: Jul 13th 2017 at 2:00:16 AM

If Thor still shows up in movies any way, Amora could still appear as a villain.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#72791: Jul 13th 2017 at 6:47:11 AM

How Marvel delt with the unfortunate implications of Man-Ape[1]

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#72792: Jul 13th 2017 at 7:41:33 AM

Being German, the David Hassellhoff thing was a little bit distracting for me....you Americans do realize that the Hoff isn't THAT popular in Germany either, right? The only reason he was a little bit more successful over here is because he just happened to sing the right kind of song at the right time. You would like "Looking for freedom" too if you were just in the process of getting rid of a giant wall.

Anyway, I think that Vol 1 was a little bit better paced and the humour felt more natural. Vol 2 was a little bit episodic. But I still haven't decided yet which one is better....to be honest, I have kind of given up trying to rank the MCU movies because between the best ones, it's way too difficult to decide. So I have started to rank franchises....currently my list (not counting franchises which have just started like Doctor Strange, Ant-man, Spider-man and Black Panther) is:

1. The Captain America Franchise (including Agents Carter)

2. The Got G Franchise

3. The Avenger Franchise

4. The Iron-man Franchise (sorry, but it really didn't manage to keep its quality throughout)

5. The Thor-Franchise (though it still has a good chance to move higher up in the list)

6. The Incredible Hulk-Franchise (which is fated to be the forgotten step-child of the MCU)

edited 13th Jul '17 7:41:59 AM by Swanpride

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Funny but not helpful
#72793: Jul 13th 2017 at 8:09:50 AM

I liked vol 2 slightly more than vol 1

It was a tough call though

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#72794: Jul 13th 2017 at 8:22:04 AM

I can't think of any canonical reason. I just like Toby Jones becoming the MCU's go-to guy for evil computers/disembodied floating heads.

So, Toby Jones as MODOK. I can dig it.

"I AM SCIENCE. I AM GENIIIIUS."

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#72795: Jul 13th 2017 at 8:52:29 AM

[up][up][up][up]It sounds like with Wong, they found a good way to make the character work without being iffy.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#72796: Jul 13th 2017 at 8:55:08 AM

God I love Avengers EMH.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#72797: Jul 13th 2017 at 8:55:32 AM

[up][up]I mean other than the fact they turned a Tibetan man into a Chinese one.

Because Tibet does not exist, hush now child. I said hush.

[up] EMH was God's gift to mankind.

edited 13th Jul '17 8:56:19 AM by Gaon

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#72798: Jul 13th 2017 at 8:58:57 AM

That was unfortunate but they found a way to workaround the Ethnic Menial Labor aspect of the character, which was a welcome change.

Danai Gurira talks about her character.

edited 13th Jul '17 8:59:30 AM by comicwriter

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#72799: Jul 13th 2017 at 9:02:27 AM

EMH was the best superhero cartoon.

My various fanfics.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#72800: Jul 13th 2017 at 9:24:09 AM

@comicwriter: I somewhat agree. Though it's a similar issue as the Mandarin as people basically picking an issue of the character straight from the 60's and saying HA THIS CAN NEVER WORK rather than observing how comics have long improved the character beyond these problematic roots.

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