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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#72751: Jul 13th 2017 at 12:51:30 AM

[up][up] I noticed, but if you really want to end things, I suggest you simply stop responding.

Oh God! Natural light!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72752: Jul 13th 2017 at 12:52:42 AM

Of course Hulk gets stronger the madder he is. That's the Hulk's entire shtick, and what sets him apart from other big strong guys. Just because it's never been explicitly stated doesn't mean that it's not a thing, because it doesn't have to be stated. Anyone who knows anything about Hulk knows that his strength increases with his rage.

It doesn't need to be explained that Thor can fly by using his hammer to propel himself through the air because we see him do that exact thing. It doesn't need to be explained that Groot can grow his limbs, because we see him do it. Same with Hulk: he starts his fight with Abomination losing to him, but then we see him win after he gets angrier.

You don't need to have Hulk getting stronger as he gets angrier be explained because it's the entire fundamental concept of his character: that he is the living embodiment of wrathful strength!

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#72753: Jul 13th 2017 at 12:52:54 AM

[up][up][up][up] You also keep jumping back into the topic whenever he brings up more stuff. So just stop responding.

edited 13th Jul '17 12:53:05 AM by TheMageofFire

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#72754: Jul 13th 2017 at 12:55:21 AM

Bear in mind, this is a universe where there's a whole race of alien beings who, despite seeming organic and humanoid in every way, somehow predate the existence of light. MCU aliens are not running off of normal biological science.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72755: Jul 13th 2017 at 12:56:14 AM

HEY, GUYS, SQUIRREL GIRL IS TOTES FUCKING AWESOME. She could kick everyone's ass. Also, the Hulk totally gets stronger as he gets madder and he can't be killed by no pansy ass military. Fuck, the Hulk can pretty much survive anything.

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#72756: Jul 13th 2017 at 12:57:03 AM

Where are your proofs?smile

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#72757: Jul 13th 2017 at 12:57:12 AM

Dude, you're still not dropping the topic.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#72758: Jul 13th 2017 at 12:57:58 AM

So far I liked Got G Vol 2 the best, but then, I didn't watch Logan and haven't been able to watch Homecoming yet....

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72759: Jul 13th 2017 at 12:59:26 AM

Where are your proofs?
Bruce Banner once tried to commit suicide by shooting himself in the mouth. In the split second it took for the bullet to fire, he turned into the Hulk and the bullet impacted the inside of the Hulk's mouth and the Hulk proceeded to spit it out. If the Hulk can survive a bullet inside his own mouth, he can survive anything.

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#72761: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:00:24 AM

[up][up][up]Logan's great, but as noted earlier it's more like Unforgiven with (edit: WITHOUT) guns than anything stereotypically superheroic. I liked GOTG 2 a lot, despite thinking the first film was pretty much the definition of a 6/10, so it gets a ringing endorsement. I hear that's pretty unusual.

Bruce Banner once tried to commit suicide by shooting himself in the mouth. In the split second it took for the bullet to fire, he turned into the Hulk and the bullet impacted the inside of the Hulk's mouth and the Hulk proceeded to spit it out. If the Hulk can survive a bullet inside his own mouth, he can survive anything.
Kinetic energy of pistol bullet: ~300-600 joules

Kinetic energy of tank shell: ~5,000,000-15,000,000 joules

Just for some context.

edited 13th Jul '17 1:03:46 AM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#72762: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:02:51 AM

I said Unforgiven with claws. Unforgiven with guns is just Unforgiven.

Also can we please talk about literally anything else. Both of you suck.

My various fanfics.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72763: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:03:37 AM

Kinetic energy of pistol bullet: ~300-600 joules Kinetic energy of tank shell: ~5,000,000-15,000,000 joules
Wow, I had no idea they shot a tank shell into his mouth.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#72764: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:04:16 AM

I liked Vol. 2 way more than Vol. 1, chiefly because Vol. 1 rushed into the characters all becoming True Companions for each other without really doing anything to earn that emotional connection. In Vol. 2, they've presumably spent a lot of time together between movies, so their bonds make a lot more sense.

Plus, y'know, it had David Hasselhoff, Pac-Man, and murder by tumor.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#72765: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:04:17 AM

Oh come on, please drop this? At least four other users other than myself have expressed that this topic should be dropped.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#72767: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:05:16 AM

alliterator, I want to be clear here - when we tell you to move on, that also means that you shouldn't try to sneak in any last minute jabs; all that does is threaten to prolong the argument even moreso.

Thendardier, that goes for you too - you are under no obligation to respond to any of those remarks.

Anyway, going on something we were discussing in the Homecoming thread - since the MCU's pretty low on female villains at the moment, which ones do you think would be the best to make the jump to the big screen. I think it's probably too late for Enchantress now (unless there's a Kid Loki movie or something). Who else is there?

edited 13th Jul '17 1:06:24 AM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#72768: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:05:34 AM

[up][up][up][up]Ditto. The second film also has a much stronger villain, funnier jokes, and a lot more genuine emotions than the first, which feels like a standard quippy Marvel flick... not to mention a strong and coherent theme. Peter's stone cold but visceral reaction to Egon telling him what happened to his mom is probably my favorite scene in any MCU movie.

edited 13th Jul '17 1:06:40 AM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72769: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:06:09 AM

[up][up]<edit>Clea Umar</edit> and Moonstone.

[up]Yeah, that's moment's way up there.

edited 13th Jul '17 1:08:48 AM by Unsung

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72770: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:06:36 AM

[up] Clea's not a villain, though. Do you mean Umar?

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72771: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:07:42 AM

[up]...Yes. I was thinking of Clea from Earth X.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#72772: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:08:21 AM

Should Moonstone be Carol's first villain? I'd rather shy away from the "evil opposites" stuff, although I'll grant that we haven't really had one of those for awhile (since Ant-Man, I think?).

What's Clea's deal, again? I'm not familiar with her.

Oh God! Natural light!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#72773: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:10:51 AM

We had one in Doctor Strange with Kaecilius.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72774: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:12:26 AM

What's Clea's deal, again? I'm not familiar with her.
Clea is Umar's daughter and thus Dormammu's niece. She became Strange's alley in the Dark Dimension and eventually his girlfriend and then wife. Eventually, she went back to the Dark Dimension to start a rebellion against Dormammu and...Strange kind of just forgot he was married.

Should Moonstone be Carol's first villain?
Eh, Carol doesn't have many villains they can use. I don't think Deathbird or the Brood are available.

edited 13th Jul '17 1:13:13 AM by alliterator

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#72775: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:12:52 AM

[up][up] I thought about him, but I'm reluctant to say that he counts, considering that almost everyone of importance in that movie is a magic-user. It's not like, say, Hulk vs. Abomination or Ant-Man vs. Yellowjacket - magic is not unique to them.

[up] Ah, okay. Clea and Umar seem like they'd be perfect for the sequel.

Are those Deathbird and the Brood's rights with Fox or something?

edited 13th Jul '17 1:14:53 AM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!

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