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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Guys, it's pretty clear that the Hulk's strength and toughness are changing throughout his appearances. I say we ignored Monsieur Thenardier and just get back to praising Squirrel Girl.
PRAISE BE, SQUIRREL GIRL!
Nah, I'm going with the other one, the one that actually makes sense.
edited 13th Jul '17 12:06:44 AM by alliterator
Pretty sure any viewer would tell you that the latter is true, and so would the writers and directors of these movies.
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."He just cracked its skull with a punch equivalent to medium semi-truck impact. It's a couple orders of magnitude higher than his next best striking feat, but it's not exactly something that puts him above (or anywhere near) modern ordnance. I mean we know Leviathans are not particularly dense, given that they don't collapse the buildings whose roofs they land on.
edited 13th Jul '17 12:16:30 AM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."edited 13th Jul '17 12:19:36 AM by alliterator
So....anyone else realizing that this might be the best year for Superhero movies ever? I mean I didn't watch Logan because I really, really don't care about Wolverine, but it is universally praised, Got G Vol 2 did justice to the first part, Wonder Woman is finally a watchable DCEU movie (so happy about the character being successful) and now Homecoming does well, too. And in-between there was the Lego Batman movie which was apparently quite funny. Even if the rest of the bunch is not delivering (though I have a good feeling regarding Racnarok), we didn't get that many good Superhero movies since 2014.
I'd really debate Logan being a superhero movie. Like, I know it has Logan and Xavier, and I know all the stuff about how the superhero movie isn't a single, unified genre, but everything already happened and everyone's gone. It's just Unforgiven with claws instead of guns.
My various fanfics.![]()
Pretty much, yeah. Logan, GOTG 2, and perhaps Wonder Woman all place in my top five favorite superhero movies ever (if WW isn't five then it's six, surely).
It's based on comic book superheroes. The main character can regenerate in minutes from bullet wounds, lift a grown man by the neck with a single outstretched arm, shrug off being crushed by a truck, and cut through anything with the invincible claws that grow out of his knuckles. He even has comic books about him in-universe. Yeah, it's a superhero movie. Its genre just happens to be "Western" rather than the typical action movie.
edited 13th Jul '17 12:25:53 AM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."Less about the genre, more about the subject matter. Logan is a movie about people with metal claws, a telepath, and some cyborgs, treated seriously and well-received by critics. This is something that almost no genre film and certainly no superhero-tangential film could've aspired to not very long ago.
So, taking all that into considering, their argument is a big fat nothingburger. So wrong, now moving on.
(Also, even they discuss the fact that the anti-gravity of the Leviathans can contribute to them falling on a roof and the roof not collapsing. So that argument is toast as well.)
edited 13th Jul '17 12:35:59 AM by alliterator
Homecoming>Apocalypse because no Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique.
edited 13th Jul '17 12:35:21 AM by SonOfSharknado
My various fanfics.Again, we saw the Leviathan crash head first through a large building, the kind that would most likely have steel support beams, and not only was it completely undamaged, but it didn't even slow down. To burst its shell and bring it to a dead stop with one punch is well, well beyond a semi-truck collision.
Plus, again, Hulk got into a fight with Thor and was hit by Thor's hammer multiple times, and he didn't go down or even seem all that hurt. And we've seen what that hammer can do.
Getting onto a different topic, I think people are far too limited with what they label as a superhero story. By my standards, if a movie is about a character with superpowers using those powers to do heroic things, then it is a superhero movie, plain and simple (well, there's some grey area when it comes to what counts as a superpower and what counts as heroic, as well as what a given movie is truly about, but you get my meaning).
Ghostbusters, Dark City, Robocop, Men in Black, the Terminator sequels: by any objective standard, you'd have a much easier time classifying those movies as superhero stories then you would Guardians of the Galaxy, which is really a Space Opera story that happens to be set in the same universe as some superhero movies.
edited 13th Jul '17 12:44:10 AM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."But it's very clear that you won't accept anything where you are wrong, so you will continue posting about how you are right despite all evidence to the contrary. Again and again and again until the mods shut down this thread. Do you really want to do that?
edited 13th Jul '17 12:45:37 AM by alliterator
I suggest that you both put a stop to this, otherwise I think we will need to call the mods.
edited 13th Jul '17 12:47:02 AM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!EDIT: I would also like to remind you that the Leviathan punch scene being quantifiable is what your argument depends on, not mine. If you're correct and there's no way to adequately measure this scene, then all this proves is that it is inadmissible as evidence as the Leviathan could weigh anything. In which case we're back to "thrown concrete block/swung piece of titanium/terminal velocity fall/helicopter shrapnel/40mm grenades/etc. KO'd/wounded the Hulk."
edited 13th Jul '17 12:53:43 AM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."

EDIT: The circumstances are also very different. He transformed into Hulk AFTER hitting the ground in this scene. While when he impacted in the Avengers, he was already the Hulk. Could also be a simple difference of how he landed, which we didn't see either time.
edited 13th Jul '17 12:14:02 AM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."