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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#72376: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:00:13 PM

At least four people want the conversation to move, it'd be courteous to move it.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#72377: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:02:53 PM

"Even if everyone is telling you that something wrong is something right, even if the whole world is telling you to move. It is your duty to plant yourself like a tree, look them in the eye and say, no. You move."

Sorry. Couldn't resist. But yeah, this should be moved to the other thread and there needs to be some more civil (pun unintended) or preferably friendly discussion

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#72378: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:02:53 PM

Ok,ok, let move on into another topic.

what is the dealwith rhodey, if he going to return or someone else is going to be warmachine?

edited 30th Jun '17 2:04:11 PM by unknowing

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#72379: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:06:14 PM

He's in physical therapy

I think he'll return, even if the new War Machine armor doubles as a prosthetic of sorts

Or whatever you call it when you wear powered armor to walk better

edited 30th Jun '17 2:06:52 PM by Bocaj

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#72380: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:16:29 PM

Don Cheadle is pretty old and I don't expect him to be headlining any movies but I think he could still appear as a backup superhero, and despite his handicap he's the kind of character I can see contributing in a more active capacity than Tony.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#72381: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:16:48 PM

I believe the technical term is dreadnought, or possibly dragoon.

I think Don Cheadle and RDJ are the same age, or close to it. Which might have been your point.

edited 30th Jun '17 2:17:35 PM by Unsung

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#72382: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:30:25 PM

is the oracle dilema: if they fix their legs they will harm civil war narrative as cheap drama but if they dont it would like if they wasted it.

I think the best way would be give him a proper arc, dosent it?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#72383: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:36:05 PM

[up][up]Yup. They're already slowly phasing Tony out of hero duty into more of a mentor role and possibly killing him off in Infinity War. So unless they want to make Rhodey a Handicapped Badass Grandpa he's probably going to be similarly limited. Though due to their different character niches Tony's appearances will mostly be Willy Wonka man while Rhodey's can be more action oriented.

edited 30th Jun '17 2:37:10 PM by AlleyOop

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#72384: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:41:18 PM

I think the best way to do Rhodey at this point would be to be a mentor for other, younger heroes.

If they don't want to do that, then I'd say that Infinity War should be his last appearance. He doesn't need to be killed off, but him retiring would be alright.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#72385: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:42:50 PM

the issue with retaring is that he didnt really did as much, is biggest contribution was in AOU and Iron man 3, so it would come as "so he isnt anymore....ok", maybe he will be a mission control kind of guy?

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#72386: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:43:29 PM

I'd commit actual murder for a movie about Iron Heart in which Rhodey fulfills the role of a grizzled mentor.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#72387: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:48:01 PM

[up]maybe they will do a logan esque movie with him and is mistake before he dies?

I mean, DCU already have a dark movie and fox have one too, maybe that would be time for Marvel to show they can their own despair movie.

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#72388: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:53:18 PM

No character in the MCU is really fit for a Logan.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#72389: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:02:23 PM

The various Defenders are about as close as they'll probably get, and they're pretty much an ongoing deconstruction of those kinds of wounded Lone Man protagonists rather than an homage. That archetype is more likely to either be rehabilitated or self-destruct in the MCU.

edited 30th Jun '17 3:15:19 PM by Unsung

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#72390: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:10:28 PM

Its a salient point. Does Marvel need a dark movie when it has the Netflixes.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#72391: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:10:45 PM

I don't see a hypothetical "Old Man Rhodey" movie as a Logan type, at any rate. I see it with Rhodey handling with the massive events of Infinity War, the probable loss of his friend(s) and how to survive in this brave new world that has such creatures in it.

Logan is about a broken old warrior's last act of heroism whether it makes up for a life of sin and bloodshed. I see "Old Man Rhodey" as a much more uplifting flick about aging with grace and getting over loss. More like the Spiritual Antithesis to Logan.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#72392: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:11:48 PM

Age of Ultron is not really clear about the point, but I always assumed that Wanda didn't know that Bruce would Hulk out in reaction to the mind whammy, mostly because no one else reacted the way he did. Even Thor became weak due to his hallucinations. I was actually always way more bothered about Wanda's involvement in the attack in Soul. But then, Age of Ultron uses the "she is a soldier fighting for another power" argument, which isn't necessarily a bad one. I mean, if you had killed all German soldiers, it would have created a huge problem. So I guess Marcus and Mc Feely started with the assumption of a clean slate for Wanda in Civil War.

Honestly, problems like this are actually seeded in Age of Ultron, it is kind of dishonest to blame Civil War for them, especially considering how much it does to clear up some aspects of Age of Ultron (like the Pepper question).

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#72393: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:15:33 PM

A movie about Riri Williams? I'd rather chop my arms off and eat them.

If they're going to make a movie about a legacy character, it's must be Ms. Marvel.

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#72394: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:16:58 PM

Even if you ignore AOU completely she still carelessly throws a bomb into a crowded building in Civil War without any government backing for her actions in a foreign country. There were many better ways that could've been handled. Heck, given that they knew exactly who was behind it, where they were going, and what they were after, the hard part was out of the way; the Avengers shouldn't have even been there at all.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#72395: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:17:25 PM

I'd rather have a Young Avengers film, and I don't care for that bunch either.

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#72396: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:18:07 PM

Hey, crazy idea: Don't see movies you don't like. No one's forcing you to watch movies. You don't have to be a fucking baby about it.

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#72397: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:19:20 PM

wild mass guessRhodey's new War Machine suit won't require him to use his legs because he'll be sitting in a chair because his next War Machine armor is going to be a spider tank.wild mass guess

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#72398: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:20:45 PM

His next War Machine will just skip the middle-man and have it be a weaponized wheelchair.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
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#72399: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:21:27 PM

Isn't that what I said?

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72400: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:22:44 PM

No, you said spider tank. I'm picturing Gaon's idea as more of a chariot with wheels made of guns.

edited 30th Jun '17 3:29:48 PM by Unsung


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