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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#72326: Jun 30th 2017 at 10:35:39 AM

I need this trial in Daredevil Season 3.

Of course at this point we've established Big Boo from Orange Is the New Black is a better lawyer.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72327: Jun 30th 2017 at 10:39:28 AM

Matt's a good, even great lawyer. When he shows up. He's a terrible human.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#72328: Jun 30th 2017 at 10:42:32 AM

"I'm on-board with discussing Bucky's hypothetical Courtroom Drama. "

Bucky: Your honor, can you do something with tony stark? he is staring that way for hour...also he have been texting me "you are going to die" over and over....is creepy

But seriously the issue of Wanda is how weird CW handle her, they cover up what she did in south africa only for her to be invold in ANOTHER issue in another african country....

I dont want to be that guy but maybe T´challa should watch is back the next time wanda use her powers.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#72329: Jun 30th 2017 at 10:47:59 AM

@Julep- I was saying Bucky had a good defense, not that Wanda did.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#72330: Jun 30th 2017 at 10:55:13 AM

One of these needs to be Daredevil Season 3.

Besides, it's all circumstantial evidence.

edited 30th Jun '17 10:55:31 AM by Beatman1

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#72331: Jun 30th 2017 at 10:57:40 AM

I'm actually disappointed that Zendaya is not a gender-flipped Miles Morales, but I can dig her being Mary (Michelle?) Jane. I actually prefer the name Michelle rather than Mary. Mary Jane just seems like either a granny name or a stoner name.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#72332: Jun 30th 2017 at 11:11:32 AM

You're forgetting "the Faustus method" detailed in Agent Carter and Agents of Shield, as well as Bucky's brainwashing, Julep.

edited 30th Jun '17 11:35:35 AM by Gaon

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#72333: Jun 30th 2017 at 11:47:54 AM

You still need evidence it happened.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72334: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:19:44 PM

Does it make me a really bad person if I kind of want Daredevil season 3 to be partially about Matt having a crisis of religion when it's revealed that one of the priests at his church is a pedophile?

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#72335: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:20:57 PM

The US military could have just executed and/or imprisoned Wanda without a trial. She's not even a citizrn, she is a foreign terrorist from a war torn dump. It's totally within their power to do that, as they demonstrate every day with drone striking non-uniformed and often immediately unarmed foreign militants in Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, and Libya. After loosing the Hulk on a crowded city (which there's strong circumstantial evidence for regardless of what anyone says) and directly helping Ultron in his plot to kill billions of people (he couldn't have gotten that far without her), she's going to be at the top of every intelligence agency's wanted list, with her profile having a note of "shoot a Hellfire in her general direction." Especially since she has pretty dangerous supepowers despite her Glass Cannon status. Real world terrorists can't pick up a main battle tank with their minds.

I also find the assertion that none would testify against her well known act to be suspect. So Captain America is a complete bastard who will let mass murdering fugitives hide from justice by lying to the authorities? For some reason I can't imagine him doing that if Wanda loosed giant monsters and carelessly tossed bombs into buildings in New York instead of Africa. Hawkeye won't tell anyone? Someone supposedly trying to go clean like Black Widow wouldn't tell anyone? Banner never told anyone what happened between his rampage in Johannesburg and the battle with Ultron? No one ever questioned him about it? The South African government didn't flip its shit at the UN that an American citizen with superpowers from an experiment by the American military working for an American paramilitary group killed dozens of people and wrecked several buildings in their capital?

What even is their cover story while Banner is gone? That the Hulk did it alone? So they're blaming their comrade who fought bravely alongside them despite hating violence by making him out to be a mass murderer (risking his life in the process, as MCU Hulk is very much someone who's life is routinely threatened by things weaker than conventional weaponry... like long falls) in order to protect the reputation of the actual murderer who is also the one that mentally tortured and traumatized him. I know the Avengers are terrible friends (their treatment of Tony is enough proof of that), but my god, I like to think that they're not "this'' blatantly hopeless as human beings.

The whole excuse is just completely absurd. If we're applying anything resembling real world logic to it, as seems to be the intention with the court room debate, Wanda is either dead or in her own special wing of Gitmo.

[up]Probably.

edited 30th Jun '17 12:25:05 PM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72336: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:24:20 PM

[up]Hulk didn't kill anyone, don't be silly.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#72337: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:25:09 PM

He just hurt them really badly,they were just sleeping it off!

No seriously Hulk probably has killed people without meaning too

edited 30th Jun '17 12:25:45 PM by Ultimatum

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#72338: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:25:13 PM

Does it make me a really bad person if I kind of want Daredevil season 3 to be partially about Matt having a crisis of religion when it's revealed that one of the priests at his church is a pedophile?

No but that is super cliche.

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#72339: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:26:27 PM

[up][up][up]He was rampaging through that city for an unknown amount of time on his own in a homicidal rage against people with no way to stop him, and the collateral damage from his fight with Iron Man was pretty big. I find that hard to believe.

edited 30th Jun '17 12:27:03 PM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#72340: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:26:38 PM

You're forgetting "the Faustus method" detailed in Agent Carter and Agents of Shield, as well as Bucky's brainwashing, Julep.

The Faustus method was only ever performed by Faustus himself who is long dead by now. Bucky's brainwashing also happened many decades ago, and before Civil War its mechanism is entirely unknown.

Besides, the fact that Bucky gets brainwashed again in Civil War should actually be the best reason to lock Wanda up so that the same thing does not happen to her - if you claim that she got brainwashed.

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#72341: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:29:25 PM

I'm pretty sure the law system's response to "we've documented a few cases of brainwashing being real in the past 75 years" would not be "every prosecutor must now prove that the defendant was not brainwashed."

edited 30th Jun '17 12:29:41 PM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#72342: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:32:05 PM

The Faustus method was only ever performed by Faustus himself who is long dead by now.

I believe that that actually refers to a technique used by Hydra in the present day, as show in Agents of SHIELD

edited 30th Jun '17 12:32:18 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#72343: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:32:44 PM

There's only one road for Bucky. The chair.

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#72344: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:33:58 PM

He'd probably consider it a mercy to be honest.

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72345: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:36:18 PM

A very comfortable chair, in a private room where he can hang out with his friends and finally feel safe.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#72346: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:39:24 PM

[up]Except tony who would try to murder him every now and them.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#72347: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:40:25 PM

I'm pretty sure the law system's response to "we've documented a few cases of brainwashing being real in the past 75 years" would not be "every prosecutor must now prove that the defendant was not brainwashed."

But if you can show that the defendant has spent years in the custody of the organization responsible for all those brainwashing cases, that seems like more than enough for reasonable doubt.

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#72348: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:40:48 PM

[up][up][up]Yes, his friends would feel compelled to attend the event, and he'd only feel a bit of a sting before finally being free and never having to suffer again.

[up]She chose to join them though; SHIELD knows this, it was in her dossier. Cap quips about it. And by that logic literally any member of HYDRA could get off with this excuse.

edited 30th Jun '17 12:41:55 PM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#72349: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:41:38 PM

sees argument on Scarlet Witch's actions start up again

Well, there's a few pages after this one, so I'll just skip to the end and hopefully it will all be over by that point.

sees it's still going on four pages later

Son of a (scarlet) witch.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#72350: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:41:55 PM

If we all agree that its not realistic can we move on with our lives

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