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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#72251: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:01:20 AM

Oh, no, not another "Wanda is evil discussion".

To clarify something, I won't mind criticism of the trailer but I am not sure if the criticism is really fair. It's okay. And maybe being okay is not enough, but it sounds interesting, and I have seen fandoms getting all apeshit over similar trailers because they were primed to get excited about a show. In this case I think that the feelings towards Scott Bucks (or the fact that this isn't a Netflix but an ABC show, or people being defensive of the Mutants, or just a delight to have something about Marvel to criticize) leads to the trailer getting more flak that it deserves. It has some nice visuals which will be amazing on an Imax screen, Maximus sounds like an interesting villain of the "he kind of has a point" variety, I actually think that the teleporting effect is kind of neat (more complicated that the characters just vanishing, but not ridiculously overstated either), and the scene with Black Bolt getting beaten up and setting off an explosion because a sound escapes him has me intrigued. I never really considered how hard it must be to keep silent, no matter what, if you are actually able to talk. (Hence I also don't buy into the "he should be more powerful" notion. Why? He can already destroy the world with a scream, isn't that enough?). I feel some trepidation concerning the notion that the show might end up mostly set on earth and initially, I expected the world of the Inhumans to be more colourful, but then it does look "moony" and it does play into Maximus point.

All in all, yeah, don't mind being critical about it, but let's not act as if this is one of the worst trailers ever. I have seen much worse and at least in my case it does its job.

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#72252: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:09:15 AM

Oh, no, not another "Wanda is evil discussion".
I don't think there's much discussion to be had. She intentionally made the Hulk go crazy and loosed him on a populated city for kicks, where he rampaged unimpeded for some time and ended up wrecking half a city block. Surely some people died. Like, I don't think that's even really debatable?

She just gets to slip off because Protagonist-Centered Morality. It's not quite as egregious as no one invoking eminent domain on Stark or taking him to task for any of the dozens of illegal things he does, but it's close, and she doesn't even have his slim excuse of being a powerful and popular billionaire (as unlikely as it is to fly in reality with his level of blatantness).

edited 30th Jun '17 3:15:08 AM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#72253: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:10:16 AM

Yeah, and they said the same thing about Ao S and Agent Carter...the trailer looked bad and who wants to see those shows anyway.

If memory serves, the reception of AOS' trailers was very positive, the backlash was related to the low quality of the first two-thirds of season 1. It's hardly an unfair judgment based on a trailer only

As for Agent Carter, I distinctly remember people being excited about the fifties' atmosphere. Hell, without even caring about story or acting, any scene from Agent Carter looked a hundred times better than the glimpses we got of Inhumans.

But shouldn't we also give ABC the benefit of the doubt? Especially considering that Iron Fist really did well when if came to drawing layered characters and showing some intrigue. Isn't that exactly what is needed for a game of throne-like show?

No, sorry, especially when put next to the other three Netflix shows, you can't use Iron Fist to shill Marvel TV as a whole. And I think that after that trailer, it would be wise to avoid drawing any comparison between Inhumans and Game of Thrones. GOT also works because, aside from the court intrigue and actor performances, the setting is jaw-droppingly gorgeous, the costumes are amazing and the action scenes often feel epic.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#72254: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:20:52 AM

Holy shit. You're both children and you both suck. CAN we shut the fuck up already?

My various fanfics.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#72255: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:45:14 AM

Movie bob gives his idea of how he'd have integrated Spider-Man into the MCU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tJ6FlVq054&t=48s

Pointless jabs at the ASM and DCEU aside, it isn't a bad video. Not sure I'd have done it but it does sound like a somewhat good idea.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#72256: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:51:24 AM

Who gives a shit about Moviebob?

My various fanfics.
MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#72257: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:54:46 AM

Not me.

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#72258: Jun 30th 2017 at 5:08:02 AM

I like the guy to an extent.

edited 30th Jun '17 5:08:43 AM by TargetmasterJoe

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#72259: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:11:14 AM

I... Know he exists.

Anyway, at the very least Wanda can, in universe, be justified to not be in prison because, hey! "So you got your powers from a magic mind control stick HYDRA was using, and then that stick made a robot that you also worked for until the stick turned into a different robot that you worked with. We can make a very compelling case for not guilty by way of mind control and god damn I can not believe I got a law degree for this."

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#72260: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:13:23 AM

You can't stop me from imagining it's Matt Murdock saying that.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#72261: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:23:25 AM

[up][up] that can easily be shut down by pointing out that she chose to have Hydra experiment on her.

[up]of course he would. It is after all a rookie mistake tongue

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#72262: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:28:41 AM

Which could also be argued against that she and Pietro acted out of desperation, wanting some form of control over their lives after everything was taken from them and, presumably, having suffered some sort of negative psychological effects from the whole pinned next to a bomb thing and whatever experiments HYDRA did to them.

My various fanfics.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#72263: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:30:10 AM

She chose to do it, he says. But I ask you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, where is the evidence? There hasn't been a single shred of evidence, only speculation that my client, a young orphan girl traumatized by war, willingly joined a terrorist organization that has well-known access to brainwashing techniques and mind control powers. The "Faustus method" and the effects of the Loki scepeter are well-documented beyond what the scope of this trial can even fathom, so I ask you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, what do the facts tell you?

The facts—-

(looks startled)

....Foggy take this one for me, my grandmother's cat is on fire and I left the stove on. Also, ninjas.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#72264: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:32:24 AM

Avengers had Thor vs Iron Man, Age of Ultron had Hulk vs Iron Man, Civil War had Cap vs Iron Man

Who will Tony piss off and fight next?

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#72266: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:42:01 AM

Yeah I was actually talking about the time she accidentally threw a bomb into the side of a skyscraper.

Which only went off because of an illegal(and very poorly thought out) anti terrorism op she was a part of. Also "Well she might be able to wiggle out of it n court" isn't a great defence of the character.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#72267: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:45:04 AM

[up][up][up]God?

edited 30th Jun '17 6:53:05 AM by windleopard

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#72268: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:48:38 AM

All of our most recurring arguments are getting stale.

Well, have gotten. A long time ago.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#72269: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:56:00 AM

No, sorry, especially when put next to the other three Netflix shows, you can't use Iron Fist to shill Marvel TV as a whole. And I think that after that trailer, it would be wise to avoid drawing any comparison between Inhumans and Game of Thrones. GOT also works because, aside from the court intrigue and actor performances, the setting is jaw-droppingly gorgeous, the costumes are amazing and the action scenes often feel epic.

Yeah. The sets alone in GOT are fucking gorgeous. Attilan in the trailer looks like it was shot in a parking garage.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72271: Jun 30th 2017 at 7:05:35 AM

Which only went off because of an illegal(and very poorly thought out) anti terrorism op she was a part of.
Actually, it went off because a terrorist set it off. If she hadn't been there, it still would have gone off but in the middle of a crowded marketplace. And if Cap's op hadn't happened, then Crossbones would have gotten a biological weapon and probably set it off somewhere.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#72272: Jun 30th 2017 at 7:07:42 AM

[up][up] I alluded to it yesterday and it made me very giddy. I even called how the reveal would go down at the end of the movie.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#72273: Jun 30th 2017 at 7:08:59 AM

Which could also be argued against that she and Pietro acted out of desperation, wanting some form of control over their lives after everything was taken from them and, presumably, having suffered some sort of negative psychological effects from the whole pinned next to a bomb thing and whatever experiments HYDRA did to them.

You are describing a pretty average terrorist here. "Out of desperation", "wanting control over their lives", "everything was taken from them", "negative psychological effects".

The guys from the Charlie Hebdo attacks lived an absurdly miserable life before turning to terrorism. Also, like the Maximoffs, they were siblings.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#72274: Jun 30th 2017 at 7:10:17 AM

The terrorist set it off to kill Cap and they wouldn't have had the bioweapon if they had warned the lab about the imminent theft and had them switch it out for a dummy.

Or just bought along the super powered android who wield an item of cosmic power and the guy with the Iron Man suit so they could take the terrorists out faster.

Or tailed them until they were away from civilians. Or heck, wait until they're in the air then shoot them down.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#72275: Jun 30th 2017 at 7:10:55 AM

[up][up] Seriously it's a little fucked up.


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