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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
But that statement was just hilarious because it's an oxymoron.
Additional problem: you're getting worked up over nothing again.
edited 29th Jun '17 10:48:03 PM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."I can't say I can see the point you're trying to make here, Thernadier. It's a film. Artistic license and actual limitations are expected when it comes to portraying actual superpowers. This isn't Death Battle, there's no reason to quantify the basic math of fight scenes.
Because by some very basic laws of logic, Hawkeye's a shit archer.
By this point, it feels like you're just being purposefully pedantic.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I actually agree with him in this case. In essence, all he's been saying is that the characters are as strong, fast, etc, as they're actually portrayed in the movies. The OP was basically that we can actually see how fast Hawkeye is in the film, and he's slower than you might think.
From what I can tell about the course of this argument, he's been forced to get increasingly pedantic in response to people getting increasingly nitpicky in objecting to it. I'm with him on being confused about why this has become such a big deal.
edited 29th Jun '17 10:57:16 PM by KnownUnknown
@ Monsieur Thenardier, Alliterator
Can you pleeaaasse drop this? Both of you have severe issues with insisting on dragging out arguments pointlessly because you feel the need to have "won" decisively. So of course it's never going to end. This is not the first thread you've derailed because you get too personally invested and can't let it go. So just drop it. Please.
By the way I also agree that Thenardier is being needlessly pedantic here. But Alliterator you're also being needlessly aggressive towards him over it. At this point it's not a real argument, it's e-penis fencing.
@ Maple Samurai
Vulture also indulges in a nice delicious box of Krispy Kremes.
edited 29th Jun '17 11:05:21 PM by AlleyOop
None of their powers obey the laws of physics. Why? Because it looks cooler that way.
edited 29th Jun '17 11:05:47 PM by alliterator
They should put the Blob in Shocker armour. I know the Copyright Abyss prevents them from doing that in the movies, but the comics are wide-open for it.
In fact, forget giving everyone a symbiote. For the next pointless crossover, I want everyone to get Shocker costumes and gauntlets, and they can call it Pillow Fight.
Quick, someone change the subject! Uhm, ok, there is... uhm...
Oh, right! So, uh, that Wanda chick, she's pretty great, isn't she? Not at all responsible for... Wait, no, that's controversial too... uhm, well, ok, has anyone considered how the UN would control the Avengers with the Sok-aw shit, forget what I said!
Fuck it. Edward Norton's Hulk, pretty neat, best Hulk ever or wha-AW COME ON!
I am somewhere in the middle of Jessica Jones in my rewatch. Though I am currently taking a break (The show is great, but it is a hard watch, especially when at the same time you have an US president complimenting female reporters for their smile and making sexist remarks on twitter) for some White Collar lightness.
Also, I would like to repeat an observation I made in the Inhumans threat: Why the hell do we keep acting as if there is something wrong with Marvel TV? For one, there is this tendency to see the Netflix shows as totally disconnected, as if Loeb has nothing to do with them. Two, there is this tendency to act as if everything what ABC does is automatically bad. Every single show they have announced so far gets a reaction as if they just took a dump in the middle of Comic Con. Every single time there are complains about the trailer, how awful the idea is aso. Meanwhile Agent Carter was great mini-series with a lot of style and Agents of Shield is not just the best Comic book show ever (and I stick to this opinion), it is one of the best shows which have ever been on TV overall. But even after they delivered a great rendition of Ghost Rider, there was still whining going on that Ghost Rider should be on Netflix. Why? Honestly, why? If this doesn't stop, ABC won't bother anymore at one point. Why can't we simply appreciate the quality we get and that they even bother to delve into properties and characters I would have never expected to see in live action TV in the first place.
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Literally nobody here is badmouthing ABC about it, the Inhumans trailer just looks like shit and Scott Buck already gave us one shitty Marvel show so there's barely any hope it'll turn out good.
Since when were they in Asia?
edited 30th Jun '17 12:07:33 AM by AdricDePsycho
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Can you point to me the scene in which Cap said that?
Yeah, and they said the same thing about Ao S and Agent Carter...the trailer looked bad and who wants to see those shows anyway.
edited 30th Jun '17 12:10:21 AM by Swanpride
Okay, well, it turned out good. That was one time. Inhumans is being run by the same bloke who ran Iron Fist (a godawful trainwreck only salvageable by everything not involving the main character) and it looks cheap as heck. Plus, given Agent Carter was about espionage and didn't really need a huge budget while Inhumans really needs a huge budget given what's in it, it's even worse and automatically puts it under more scrutiny.
edited 30th Jun '17 12:17:33 AM by AdricDePsycho
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Wasn't around these forums for Agent Carter, but for what it's worth, I liked the show quite a bit.
Look, we can only talk about what the creators put out. If people are disappointed that a property that's as effects-heavy as Inhumans which was pitched as being Marvel's Game of Thrones looks this cheesy both in terms of dialogue and visuals, I don't think that's being unfair.
edited 30th Jun '17 12:28:52 AM by Unsung
But shouldn't we also give ABC the benefit of the doubt? Especially considering that Iron Fist really did well when if came to drawing layered characters and showing some intrigue. Isn't that exactly what is needed for a game of throne-like show?
Honestly, I am way more concerned with the nation that way too much of the Inhumans series might be set on earth than anything else.
I'm giving ABC the benefit of the doubt, I'm not giving Scott Buck the benefit of the doubt. It's not an ABC problem, it's a Scott Buck problem.
And there was maybe only one multi-layered Iron Fist character, and that was Ward. Maybe there'll be another one on Inhumans but my faith for Scott Buck to make anything worthwhile is low to the point of basic nonexistence right now.
edited 30th Jun '17 12:36:41 AM by AdricDePsycho
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Why do we owe it to them to make excuses and basically do their advertising department's job for them? It's their show. The power to cut together a trailer is in their hands. If you crap out a lame trailer, people are going to rag on it, and excitement for your movie/show/game/whatever is going to stall. That seems perfectly fair to me.
And of course they can still win their audience back, but it's not like people are judging this book by its cover and not giving it a second glance, they're judging it by actual moments from the show, and most of them are still here, waiting to be impressed.
edited 30th Jun '17 12:48:13 AM by Unsung
From what I can tell about the course of this argument, he's been forced to get increasingly pedantic in response to people getting increasingly nitpicky in objecting to it. I'm with him on being confused about why this has become such a big deal.
So how about that Spider-Man? Average scores from early screenings so far seem to hover around 7-8/10 (7.7 on RT, 74 on Metacritic). Will probably decrease slightly after general release given the usual trend and end up around 7/10. Box office projections? I'm betting around $800-900 million just based on name recognition. ASM-2 did $700 million without the MCU brand name on top of Spider-Man's and it was mediocre with an RT approval rating of 52% and average score of 5.7/10. Doubt it will beat any of the Raimi trilogy though. Adjusted to June 2017 dollars, each of those films grossed well over a billion. Albeit, on (inflation-adjusted) larger budgets than Homecoming's $180 million.
edited 30th Jun '17 2:59:41 AM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."

As an anime fan, I am perfectly comfortable with the idea that you cannot judge a character's speed based on how fast they appear to be moving on screen. My favorite example is when Naruto has Sasuke, a character shown to be able to move so fast that, from a normal person's perspective, he seems to be teleporting, charge at another character at what is explicitely stated to be his absolute top speed . . . and this lasts for several minutes of screen time, with another character watching it able to give a lengthy exposition dump in the time it takes for Sasuke to complete his charge.
As for Cap's shield, it's pretty clear that whether it bounces off objects or embeds itself in them is not at all consistent. As Spidey noted, it does not seem to follow normal laws of physics.
edited 29th Jun '17 10:37:59 PM by RavenWilder