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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#72151: Jun 29th 2017 at 4:11:10 AM

It also important to note that Sonic like most games have story and gameplay segregation.

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#72154: Jun 29th 2017 at 6:29:09 AM

As I feared, Attilan does not look very impressive.

edited 29th Jun '17 6:40:57 AM by comicwriter

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#72155: Jun 29th 2017 at 6:46:46 AM

I freakin' love the royal family, so I'm pretty excited! Been hyped for this in particular ever since it was announced as a movie.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72157: Jun 29th 2017 at 7:04:48 AM

You can literally just slow down the film and measure how long it takes him to cross certain easily-measurable distances.
He increases and decreases his speed, so that literally means nothing.

And no, his speed is determined by the SFX team.
No, his speed is determined by the writer and director of the film, who then tells the SFX team how fast he should go. His speed is literally determined by the plot. Hell, there are times when he goes so fast you can't see him (when he takes the bullets out of Klaw's gun).

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#72158: Jun 29th 2017 at 7:15:30 AM

I don't know how Flash will be in Justice League, but MCU Quicksilver is the modern speedster who got the least amount of emphasis on how absurdly fast he is. The CW gives Barry all these "lightning in the streets" scenes and several "conversations at super-speed" with fellow speedsters, X-Men Quicksilver got the Pentagon scene. MCU Quicksilver got a string of very short sequences and appeared in the middle of a movie that was filled to the brim with action scenes, so it was harder for him to leave a mark.

Well, it was mostly bad timing, because coming just a few months after DOFP where the other Quicksilver had what is widely seen as the "coolest scene of the movie" did not help. When you type "quicksilver" in youtube, the pentagon scene is the first suggestion.

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#72159: Jun 29th 2017 at 7:18:12 AM

Which is exactly the reason why he didn't do anything nearly that amazing.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#72160: Jun 29th 2017 at 7:28:17 AM

This is frustrating....I would give anything to be able to watch Inhumans in Imax and won't be able to do so and those who could are all "meh, this looks bad"....really? Don't you see this? This will look really impressive in Imax.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#72161: Jun 29th 2017 at 7:39:33 AM

I don't get the big deal about IMAX; it's just a slightly larger screen.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#72162: Jun 29th 2017 at 7:43:49 AM

Ugh. I can't get over how bad Medusa's hair look. And how ridiculous the real name of the Inhumans are.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#72163: Jun 29th 2017 at 7:44:03 AM

IMAX in itself just makes epic visuals look even more epic. But if the original material is nothing to write home about, it won't change much.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#72164: Jun 29th 2017 at 7:45:40 AM

So, apparently everyone loves Homecoming with reviews ranging from "may be the best spiderman ever" and "one of the best MCU movies" to "it's great" (meaning most reviewers are between A-, 9/10, 4/5 and B, 7,5/10, 3,5/5) except the Hollywood reporter who gave it a rotten score and screwed up the average...I won't risk reading it, because this particular reviewer most likely spoils the movie thoroughly.

I guess we are safe to say: Marvel did it again.

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#72165: Jun 29th 2017 at 7:49:16 AM

I was already looking forward to watching Homecoming, and those reviews are really encouraging.

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#72166: Jun 29th 2017 at 7:57:32 AM

I am curious what the reviewers mean by 'surprising' and 'a twist at the end that you won't see coming'. Maybe the trailer that spoiled Peter having his new suit taken away and fighting Vulture in his old costume wasn't actually spoiling as much as we thought.

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#72167: Jun 29th 2017 at 8:03:37 AM

Aww lockjaw! What a big sweet teleporting dog

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#72168: Jun 29th 2017 at 8:07:17 AM

I can't wait for this movie to sell like gangbusters just so Sony can expand on their "sharing Spider-Man with Marvel" deal to "screw it, we're just going to let Marvel have creative freedom over the goddamn the spin-offs."

Seriously, the update from the last page has me like:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/image_8186.jpeg

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#72169: Jun 29th 2017 at 9:06:53 AM

I don't see how low budget shit is gonna look better in IMAX.

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#72171: Jun 29th 2017 at 9:23:12 AM

Maybe this is how Lockjaw breaks out as a character/mascot for the MCU here and goes on to co-star in Ms. Marvel (2014): The Movie.

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#72172: Jun 29th 2017 at 10:27:06 AM

It also important to note that Sonic like most games have story and gameplay segregation.
Gameplay and story segregation is BS anyway (and the extent to which it implies is often exaggerated to the point where some people would have you believe that nothing you do in certain games remotely reflects what's "really" happening in "reality").
He increases and decreases his speed,
And the speed he actually chooses to use in combat is (relatively) slow as molasses.
No, his speed is determined by the writer and director of the film, who then tells the SFX team how fast he should go.
Nope. The script just says something like "Quicksilver punches this guy", it's the SFX team that decides how fast he should go because they're in charge of making the film look good. They wisely decided that anything beyond 100 mph just doesn't look good in any scene except aerial shots of him running through the city (you see the same thing on the Flash TV show). So 95% of his fight scenes has him going at highway speeds (at least part of this was probably also to justify him getting shot to death when a truly supersonic character could've resolved that situation with total ease).
His speed is literally determined by the plot. Hell, there are times when he goes so fast you can't see him (when he takes the bullets out of Klaw's gun).
lol he takes he six frames just to cross the room. You can totally see him. That scene with Klaue is actually one of his lowest showings (along with his attacks on Cap and Hawkeye in the opening; only 20-30 mph there).
Which is exactly the reason why he didn't do anything nearly that amazing.
He was probably powered down to a street leveler to avoid the Story-Breaker Power problem that X-Men Quicksilver has. Again, look at the Flash TV show for an example of what I mean. It takes several seasons for Barry to truly break the sound barrier when his character is casually hypersonic in the comics, and after that he only breaks it sparingly (his "Supersonic Punch" is basically his mega-super-ultimate attack) so street level supervillains and the occasional Badass Normal can still threaten him... and that show still is often criticized for Plot Induced Stupidity.

Actually, that may also have been a contributing factor to why Quicksilver was killed. Even at that restrained power level, Super-Speed characters are a bitch to have around.

edited 29th Jun '17 11:20:14 AM by MonsieurThenardier

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#72174: Jun 29th 2017 at 10:54:41 AM

Writers have famously talked about how annoying it is to have speedster characters on teams, because you have to have a reason for why they can't just solve the problem before anyone else gets a chance to do anything.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72175: Jun 29th 2017 at 11:00:24 AM

[up][up] Most of the examples you are talking about are slowed down for the audience. For the rest of the people, they are super fast. And since you are judging them from the audience's perspective, you can't accurately tell how fast anything is.

Actually, that may also have been a contributing factor to why Quicksilver was killed. Even at that restrained power level, Super Speed characters are a bitch to have around.
For a good example of a speedster, I would say check out Yo-Yo in Agents of SHIELD. Just the right amount of speed, without it becoming too much of a storybreaker.


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