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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#72126: Jun 27th 2017 at 10:05:45 PM

The copyright issue is weirdly like Onslaught.

A great evil threatened Marvel, an evil born of some of their own decisions and some malice in their ranks. But it threatened to end their entire world. In order to stop this threat menace, a large number of heroes sacrificed themselves and were banished to another reality, leaving the world they left behind aching and somewhat empty.

The X-Men, the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man. Through their sacrifice, the dread Bankruptcy was fended off.

Maybe someday Franklin Richards will bring them back home. But possibly not because he's with the Fantastic Four rights and will probably never be born in a movie.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72127: Jun 27th 2017 at 10:06:18 PM

By the way, I'm totally not kidding about Magic Boots Mel.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#72128: Jun 27th 2017 at 10:07:38 PM

Why would you tell me that she exists in the same breath as telling me that she's dead.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72129: Jun 27th 2017 at 10:10:10 PM

She's still alive — she only died as part of the alternate future Age of Ultron, which was wiped from existence.

That's also the comic where Faiza Hussain became Captain Britain.

edited 27th Jun '17 10:12:30 PM by alliterator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72131: Jun 27th 2017 at 10:13:15 PM

Bend it like Braddock.

I like her shirt. Is that a thing that exists in real life, some sort of fictional futbol team, or is it specifically her own logo?

Also:

The copyright issue is weirdly like Onslaught.

[awesome]

edited 28th Jun '17 8:50:56 PM by Unsung

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#72132: Jun 28th 2017 at 7:16:28 PM

Remember that Homecoming/Spin-off connection that was retracted? The retraction has now been retracted.

Pascal says, “First, there is Spider-Man happily in the place where he’s supposed to be which is in the Marvel Universe. I think everything comes from that. This is the signpost, the tentpole, the signature and… the other movies that Sony’s going to make, in their relationship to this [MCU] Spider-Man, take place in this [separate Sony] world. Although you’re not going to see them in the Marvel Universe, it’s in the same reality.”

Kevin Feige backs Pascal’s comments, saying her response is “the perfect answer”. What FANDOM understands from this is that there will be no crossover in terms of character appearances between Sony’s films and Marvel’s films – despite Venom, in particular, being very closely connected to Spider-Man – but that all of the action across all of the films happens in the same “reality”. So there you are.

To summarize:

edited 28th Jun '17 7:17:20 PM by comicwriter

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#72133: Jun 28th 2017 at 7:18:10 PM

So...we were right, then?

Dudes, this would be much easier if you just said "Hypertime".

Oh God! Natural light!
MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Searching
#72134: Jun 28th 2017 at 7:40:19 PM

I'm still not sure what she means.

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#72135: Jun 28th 2017 at 7:46:08 PM

[up]Loose references and shout outs are OK, direct crossovers and specific references are not.

I think.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#72136: Jun 28th 2017 at 7:48:07 PM

I interpret it as meaning that Spider-Man Homecoming basically exists in two separate universes simultaneously.

The new Sony movies will reference Homecoming, and Homecoming is part of the MCU, but transitive property does NOT apply, basically.

edited 28th Jun '17 7:48:45 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72138: Jun 28th 2017 at 8:20:41 PM

The Clone Saga begins.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72139: Jun 28th 2017 at 8:33:23 PM

So this is everyone thinking about Spider-Man/Venom in the MCU:

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#72140: Jun 28th 2017 at 9:00:00 PM

The only thing that confuses me about that is that now the Sony Spider-Man movies have to deal with the implication of the Avengers existing in their universe and that they never show up.

Otherwise it seems like an unnecessarily large amount of clarification for something that probably won't make much of a difference in the grand scheme.

This song needs more love.
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#72141: Jun 28th 2017 at 9:37:53 PM

So, basically, the Spider-Man spinoffs are part of the MCU to the same extent the Netflix Defenders shows are.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72142: Jun 28th 2017 at 10:04:39 PM

Effectively, except also in an overlapping parallel dimension.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#72143: Jun 28th 2017 at 11:18:21 PM

Did you guys know that Quicksilver's running speed is not his actual running speed.

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#72144: Jun 28th 2017 at 11:58:33 PM

MCU Quicksilver actually isn't very fast in combat (he can travel close to the speed of sound outside of combat, oddly enough). Would you believe me if I told you that the average car could outspeed him in 90% of his running scenes?

edited 28th Jun '17 11:59:25 PM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72145: Jun 29th 2017 at 12:34:29 AM

[up] How can you possibly know any of that? His speed in the movie is determined by one thing: the writer. That's it.

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Searching
#72146: Jun 29th 2017 at 12:37:49 AM

You can literally just slow down the film and measure how long it takes him to cross certain easily-measurable distances. In 90% of his scenes he varies between 20 mph and 100 mph.

And no, his speed is determined by the SFX team.

edited 29th Jun '17 12:42:28 AM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72147: Jun 29th 2017 at 12:43:16 AM

Thenardier's memeing. That's from the Game Theory episode about how Sonic is slower than his reputation would suggest.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#72148: Jun 29th 2017 at 1:08:58 AM

[up][up] You're really into this type of stuff aren't you?

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#72149: Jun 29th 2017 at 1:37:40 AM

[up][up]I'm not memeing, I don't even watch Game Theory. I wouldn't be surprised if the same applied to Sonic though. People underestimate how fast even a 60 mph humanoid looks; and an actually supersonic humanoid would flat out appear to be teleporting in most scenes.

[up]Kinda sorta.

edited 29th Jun '17 1:43:42 AM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72150: Jun 29th 2017 at 2:33:25 AM

Huh. I assumed you were, since the person right before you brought this up was memeing and you quoted the episode pretty closely.


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