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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#72051: Jun 26th 2017 at 6:23:03 AM

Let me get this straight. The most prominent Inhuman, right now, is Daisy Johnson, so an Asian woman, right? And the poster features three white characters?

Ok.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#72053: Jun 26th 2017 at 6:33:20 AM

[up][up]Daisy has no connection to this group. She might not even appear in the series.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#72054: Jun 26th 2017 at 6:53:20 AM

I know, it's about the message that is sent. The Inhumans in SHIELD are fairly diverse and Daisy is arguably a lead on the show, but here they advertise it with a bunch of white people - which I assume will mean that those will be the leads.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#72055: Jun 26th 2017 at 7:02:26 AM

I hear you. The only one that manages to stand out is the lead actress, with that crazy ass hair. Besides that it's Floating head syndrome and intense stare guy

edited 26th Jun '17 7:05:24 AM by Xopher001

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#72056: Jun 26th 2017 at 7:10:35 AM

As much as I dislike floating heads poster, this one looks fairly cool due to the colour scheme. The red really pops in all the black and white. In fact this is the first piece of marketing they did which caused me to say "yup, that looks really great".

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#72057: Jun 26th 2017 at 8:25:26 AM

If there will be any Heroic Sacrifices for Infinity War, think it ought to be like how Onslaught, ended, only with Thanos on the receiving end?

edited 26th Jun '17 1:19:02 PM by HallowHawk

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#72058: Jun 26th 2017 at 9:18:43 AM

So Hawkeye runs into Thanos and bounces off his chest?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#72059: Jun 26th 2017 at 9:45:05 AM

Bucky dying in Infinity War would make his whole arc a big Shoot the Shaggy Dog. The guy's suffered enough and Cap and a lot of other people went through a ton of crap to free him.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#72060: Jun 26th 2017 at 11:15:15 AM

Kevin Feige confirms Miles Morales exists in the MCU.

“In the meantime, I think Miles is a big part of the animated movie that Sony’s making,” Feige said. “But where we go… we definitely want you to go ‘[Miles] is there. He’s there somewhere.'"

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72061: Jun 26th 2017 at 11:18:16 AM

There's an interesting mockup for an actual poster in that new Inhumans ad, but it has the same problem as all Marvel's posters lately, where it looks like they got their fourteen-year-old/receptionist who's somewhat handy with Photoshop to do it. Emphasizing the Bolt symbol and Medusa's hair is a good idea, except that Medusa's hair still looks terrible for what it's supposed to be. It's a wig, and what's worse, an unflattering wig. I mean, that centre part, and it's so flat-looking on top. How do you mess that up?

Anyway. We already knew Bolt, Medusa, and Maximus were the leads, so while I'm not especially enthusiastic about all of the non-white cast being out of focus, I'm not surprised.

From the promo material we've seen, I have to wonder how much in the way of fantastic locations and effects are even in this thing. And this had the potential to be one of the most colourful properties Marvel could adapt, too, almost a TV version of GOTG in terms of visuals if not tone, but instead it all looks so austere. Apart from Lockjaw, who we've also barely seen, this just seems so joyless and rote, just the bare minimum of lip service to still be identifiable as the property it's based on.

They still have time to hook me back in, but they really need to step it up. End of November could mean it's going to be slotted in after AOS's first pod, if they end up following the same structure as S4. Part of me wonders if that's just so they can just run it with some of the crossover audience for AOS and be done with it.

edited 28th Jun '17 8:58:28 PM by Unsung

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#72062: Jun 26th 2017 at 11:47:33 AM

They honestly should have just not bothered with a wig and used the real hair for Medusa's actress. At this rate, fans are already used to the characters not looking entirely like their comic counterparts

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#72063: Jun 26th 2017 at 11:52:27 AM

When the Inhumans movie got axed, they might as well have just held off and maybe introduced them somewhere else later. TV does not seem like the best medium for them.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#72064: Jun 26th 2017 at 11:57:09 AM

Eh, I think TV makes more sense given how the Inhumans have already been a prominent part of AOS. The only issue is this series doesn't seem like it's going to interact with that show at all.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#72065: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:07:21 PM

The problem with TV is you're bound by a TV budget. I would be very shocked if the lame costumes and really silly looking wig weren't at least partially because they don't have the professional budget you'd get on a Marvel movie.

Seriously, look at any of the costumes in the trailers for Thor: Ragnarok or Black Panther and then look at Black Bolt in a fucking trench coat.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#72066: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:11:43 PM

[up] what's wrong with trench coats? Scarlet Witch wears one in the movies too

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72067: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:14:38 PM

Scarlet Witch has worn a similar outfit in the comics, and I wish she'd warp herself a better costume too, but Scarlet Witch isn't the King Superhero. If anyone should be in a full set of tights and a mask, it's Black Bolt.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#72068: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:15:20 PM

[up][up]Scarlet Witch is not the king of a fantastical race of people who live in space and wear silly outfits. It'd be like trying to make a practical take on Hela.

[up][tup]

edited 26th Jun '17 12:16:01 PM by comicwriter

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#72069: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:15:53 PM

Hey guys, remember that kid with the Iron Man costume in the 2nd Iron Man film? Well, Tom Holland actually had a conversation about it with Kevin Feige and said that the kid is in fact Peter Parker all along. surprised

https://www.facebook.com/MarvelCinematicUniverse/photos/a.255014641181782.86037.217181691631744/1864921413524422/?type=3&theater

Given the timeline though, it's actually quite a reasonable confirmation.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#72071: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:22:56 PM

Is Black Bolt really king superhero? He doesn't go out of his way to fight crime or supervillains or do any superhero-y.

He mostly does king shit like going into space and take over empires and destroy the space time continuum

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72072: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:27:30 PM

Not in-universe, maybe, but c'mon, the guy's name is Black Bolt.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#72073: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:29:11 PM

Doesn't really make him a superhero though. Some Inhumans like Kamala are superheroes but Black Bolt isn't one of them

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72074: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:31:09 PM

His name is Blackagar Boltagon. That's like if Steve Rogers' superhero name was Ste Rog.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#72075: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:32:31 PM

Key words: "not in-universe." The premise of Black Bolt is 'what if a superhero was also a king?' Hence the name, hence the costume. That's a lot of the appeal of the character, and most of the reasons being brought up to say he's not a superhero are justifications after the fact, which I don't really think are necessary, because again, him being King Superhero is, y'know, great. Like, I don't even know why anyone would want to downplay that.

He's super, and he's a hero to his people, and he's a king. He's just not a vigilante.


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