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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#72001: Jun 25th 2017 at 10:33:03 AM

Cap gave up his shield at the end of Civil War.

There was nothing about not being Captain America anymore. If something like that was mentioned in an interview or teaser or something then I don't know about it. But its a different situation then the US government claiming they own the Captain America identity and costume. All Tony laid claim to was the shield, saying that Steve didn't deserve it because Howard Stark made it and Steve is helping Howard's killer escape.

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#72002: Jun 25th 2017 at 10:43:10 AM

[up][up]Generally, I agree. But if they've built up Thanos as the ultimate climax boss, I think it'd be better to get actual closure with his defeat.

Nick Fury hasn't been all that visible in the universe lately, so I don't think he'll be dying.

Not only that but it wouldn't be impressive. It's the same reason I kept rolling my eyes at everyone who kept saying Ultron killing Black Widow or Hawkeye would be badass and show the movie really has stakes and that Ultron is a serious threat. No, it just shows he's able to kill the two most easily-killable members of the team.

edited 25th Jun '17 10:44:46 AM by comicwriter

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#72003: Jun 25th 2017 at 10:49:44 AM

[up]Of course them hey kill pietro someone nobody feel attached so wanda can have more angst about it.

And nick fury is pretty much a non entity a this point, he can just apear or disappear a will, kinda like medivh of Warcraft, he will just "go into the mist of time"

Like I said having steve renounce the identity could be a good idea since NOW is against the government and is something of a renegate, so saying.

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#72004: Jun 25th 2017 at 10:53:57 AM

Death of Nick Fury would less be a way to show Thanos is badass and more of a It's Personal death for the Avengers. He was the one who brought them together, after all. And he is their most cerebral member. So it'd have a sense of Decapitated Army (though Cap is still their actual leader).

In "power stats" term his death would more be like Reality Ensues than a feat for Thanos; from what we're told (and going by the comics) Thanos is obscenely powerful, a guy like Nick Fury is minced meat if he gets within the same kilometer as where Thanos and his forces are fighting. The same actually goes for Cap, Hawkeye and Widow, but I digress.

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#72005: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:16:42 AM

Killing off Nick Fury would feel kinda repetitive after his faked death in Winter Soldier.

Like the Hawkeye fakeout, faking your death kinda gives you insurance against a real death. tongue

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#72006: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:23:07 AM

All depends on how they play it. I can see Cap and Fury sharing one last bittersweet conversation to the effect of "I'll find you inside a dam, completely fine, just like last time won't I?" and Nick chuckling heartily and just saying "Not this time, Captain. Not this time." before succumbing to his wounds/heading to his death.

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#72007: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:29:23 AM

I was attached to Quicksilver. He was such a snarky dick.

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#72008: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:30:19 AM

Killing off Fury to make it personal for the Avengers would also feel like a blatant rehash of Loki killing Coulson

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#72009: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:33:38 AM

"Next season on Agents of SHIELD: NICK FURY JOINS THE TEAM!!"

"And look who I found living under a bridge: Quicksilver!"

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#72010: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:36:19 AM

Quicksilver living under a bridge after being riddled with Starktech bullets would feel like a rehash of his and Wanda's childhood, though.

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#72011: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:38:16 AM

But what if he had... AMNESIA??

edited 25th Jun '17 11:41:52 AM by Bocaj

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#72012: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:40:08 AM

they could clone him,you never know,,

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#72013: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:41:03 AM

Is "Amensia" a condition of a lack of men, or a condition of incessantly saying "Amen"?

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#72014: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:41:23 AM

Ben Reillimoff.

[up] Its a typo.

edited 25th Jun '17 11:41:45 AM by Bocaj

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#72015: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:43:11 AM

Amensia sounds like the name of a Catholic supervillain.

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#72016: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:51:01 AM

If I were writing it I'd have something like this: During act one or two Nick Fury dies in a similar manner to Coulson to make the conflict more personal for the Avengers. Vision may also get trashed when Thanos takes the Mind Stone but there will be an implication that Tony can fix him after all of this is over.

During the final battle Thanos smacks aside the Avengers and Guardians like in Infinity Gauntlet. In the process he winds up killing Drax and at least one Avenger, probably Hawkeye. Cap struggles to stand and gives a variation of his As Long as There Is One Man speech. Then Thanos breaks the shield and kills him too. Loki, who has taken over Mephisto's role in the Infinity Gauntlet story, tricks Thanos into becoming a cosmic being and leaving his body behind. This gives Nebula an opportunity to steal the Gauntlet. Thanos, in anger over being tricked, then proceeds to kill Loki. The Avengers manage to get the Gauntlet away from Nebula but not without killing her in the process. After which they destroy it to prevent its power from being misused.

During the denouement we see the Avengers at a funeral for Cap, Fury, and Hawkeye. After which Thor takes Loki's body and says he's going to cease contact with Earth before departing for Asgard. The Guardians take Nebula and Drax's bodies and fly away to have their own funeral service. Then the non-Avenger allies(Spider-Man, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and Banner) depart too. After everyone is gone Tony tells Widow that once he's repaired Vision he's going to retire and leave her in charge of the new team; Black Panther, Bucky Barnes Cap, War Machine, Scarlet Witch, Falcon, and the rebuilt Vision.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#72017: Jun 25th 2017 at 12:03:18 PM

[up] That sounds like way too many deaths. Three funerals? Yeah, no way they are going to do that.

No, I think probably Tony is going to bite it and that's it. He has connections to everyone, he's Peter's mentor, he used to be Steve's friend (and probably will be again before he dies), and he can also be easily replaced by someone else (either Rhodey or Riri — I do hope that they introduce Riri).

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#72018: Jun 25th 2017 at 12:03:32 PM

Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal: There's no Venom in the MCU. At all.

Speaking of Amy Pascal, she's still not with Sony, right? Did she do a Start My Own and made her own production studio?

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#72019: Jun 25th 2017 at 12:08:01 PM

Do remember we are talking about two movies. I'm going to guess at least one Avenger will die in Part I to signal the Darkest Hour (Vision and Fury would be my best guesses) and at least one will die in Part II in the final battle making a Heroic Sacrifice (this is where I see Nebula and Stark biting za dusto).

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#72020: Jun 25th 2017 at 12:21:32 PM

[up][up][up]Aside from Quicksilver the MCU heroes have gotten out mostly unscathed. I think a higher number of deaths would really impress upon the audience how dangerous Thanos is. Don't forget that the actual Infinity Gauntlet event had Thanos kill off every single hero Earth had. This movie would be toned down compared to that.

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#72021: Jun 25th 2017 at 12:30:43 PM

If you want to enact The Worf Effect effectively with Thanos, have him flat-out curb-stomp the Hulk in hand to hand combat. For some reason Marvel has so far been completely unwilling to have their golden boy's ass kicked past his debut, usually by contriving situations where he only fights weak enemies (e.g. the military never deploys any significant ordnance against him, he only fights Ultron after Thor melts his face off, he only fights Loki after Thor beats the crap out of him and he loses his scepter, he only fights Thor when Thor has to hold back against a bloodlusted Hulk). Even in the one fight where the plot required he lose, his opponent had to 'cheat' with it being made clear that Hulk would've ripped the Hulkbuster apart if Stark didn't get to repair it after the first few blows. So the average moviegoer probably thinks highly of him.

edited 25th Jun '17 12:35:27 PM by MonsieurThenardier

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#72022: Jun 25th 2017 at 12:38:15 PM

Repairing your giant robot isn't cheating. Its smart. Hulk himself has a healing factor, doesn't he?

[up][up] The actual Infinity Gauntlet book had Thanos kill over half the universe. And then they were brought back and every bit of damage he did was undone and then Thanos became a farmer.

I don't think following that precedent is going to make people stop crying about the MCU lacking impact.

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#72023: Jun 25th 2017 at 12:40:37 PM

I'm quite sure he will beat down Hulk like a whipped dog at some point.

I'm going to guess there'll be a scene the entire Avengers will all fight Thanos and get their asses kicked. It's possible during this "Thanos uses everyone as punching bags" scene, one of them will die.

edited 25th Jun '17 12:41:28 PM by Gaon

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#72024: Jun 25th 2017 at 12:48:58 PM

Repairing your giant robot isn't cheating. Its smart.
Sure, but from a narrative perspective the point of inserting that element in the first place was clearly to emphasize that Hulk > Hulkbuster, and that one Hulkbuster couldn't beat him. Basically allowing him to save as much face as possible in the fight that the plot mandates he lose.
Hulk himself has a healing factor, doesn't he?
He heals faster than a normal human, but not on a scale that's relevant in combat in the MCU. In the 2008 film he gets some scuffs and cuts from 40mm grenades and shrapnel from a helicopter crash during the college campus fight, and still has those minor wounds hours later during the night scenes.

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#72025: Jun 25th 2017 at 12:49:54 PM

Don't forget that the actual Infinity Gauntlet event had Thanos kill off every single hero Earth had.
And then at the end, they were all brought back to life, so the actual death count of Infinity Gauntlet was zero.

In the 2008 film he gets some scuffs and cuts from 40mm grenades and shrapnel from a helicopter crash during the college campus fight, and still has those minor wounds hours later during the night scenes.
One of the big aspects of the Hulk is that the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets. So if he gets angrier than he was during that movie, he could become stronger still.

edited 25th Jun '17 12:51:10 PM by alliterator


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