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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
There is exactly one guy who claims that it isn't as good as the first two Raimi movies and considering that one of his complains boils down to "without the origin story there isn't enough weight to the character" I am very comfortable with disregarding his opinion. This is obviously one of those people who think that the Raimi take is the golden grail which will never be reached no matter what.
Overall the reviews are even more positive than I expected....there has to be something big they didn't reveal in the marketing considering that other than "fun" the adjective which turns up the most often is "surprising". Guess this means that I'll go and watch it.
On the other hand having a "fun Peter Parker" is bound to make those who disliked Raimi's movies because Spidey wasn't fun enough very happy, leading to opposite bias.
It pretty much looks like another good MCU entry...so, basically, like another MCU entry. Probably favored by those who place Guardians of the Galaxy or Deadpool at the top of their personal lists, more than by those who prefer The Winter Soldier or Logan.
The complaint isn't totally without merit. While there was absolutely no reason to do another origin again when every single human being on the planet knows Spidey's origin (hell, it was criticized the last time they did it), Uncle Ben's murder does still lend a certain amount of emotional weight and motivation to his actions and motivation.
It didn't need to be shown again, but it'd be nice if it still informs Spider-Man as a character. Having not seen the movie, I can't say how they handled it, but it's not a baseless criticism in theory.
Problem is that Spidey's origin requires more storytelling than Batman's, which can be dealt with in one flashback scene.
Plus the MCU will soon get its movie where the hero becomes who he is after the death of a father figure (Black Panther). Spiderman might have become redundant in hindsight, especially as BP's father's death happened on-screen already.
It sounds like there will be something Bruce/Natasha related in Infinity War. I'm hoping it's small and not a Romantic Plot Tumor.
Spider-Man 2 is my favorite super hero movie of all time so it failing to reach that bar is just fine to me.
This song needs more love.edited 24th Jun '17 4:51:07 PM by alliterator
Umm, what? I'm pretty sure he was commenting on the early screening impressions for Spider-Man Homecoming, a movie that will be out very soon this summer, and absolutely has had several trailers. Not Infinity War.
And a lot of people here haven't seen Bv S in its entirety but make snark about it all the time, but they're probably not all trolls either, despite what rabid DC fanboys might claim.
If this is his first post in this thread ever and it's just to complain about MCU movies then yeah it's a douchey thing to do but if he's been lurking for a while and that's his genuine opinion it's not trolling.
edited 24th Jun '17 4:59:02 PM by AlleyOop
The way it and the post above it were worded I thought it was pretty clear he wasn't talking about IW or else it would've been a huge non sequitur. Besides, I and a bunch of other people in this thread took a similar opinion that the movie is probably good if kinda generic and not great despite not having watched the movie yet. His is just the only one that phrased it as a negative.
And I don't really see the point in getting upset about people not liking the MCU as long as they're not being huge assholes about it. Which I can't say he exactly wasn't, but won't say he totally was either.
But whatever, I don't think it's something worth derailing the thread and fighting or crying troll over.
edited 24th Jun '17 6:00:40 PM by AlleyOop
I'm not upset if you actually watch the films in order to discuss their flaws. Hell, I hated BVS, but I've at least seen the movie, so I can tell you why it's terrible. But coming into a thread to declare a movie that hasn't aired yet to be "bland" is just silly. (Or "blandly anodyne," which is just pretentious.)
And the previous comments were talking about the reviews and how the reviews were worded and guessing how the movie might be because of the reviews.
edited 24th Jun '17 6:05:50 PM by alliterator
I remember that I refused to say in specifics how bad BVS was until I'd actually seen it, instead choosing to parrot the reviews I'd seen of it as justification for hating it.
After having seen it, I can confidently say that it is one of the most offensively and aggressively atrocious movies I've ever seen. No other movie pisses me off like BVS does.

Honestly that's about what I expected.