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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#71951: Jun 24th 2017 at 1:20:33 AM

Honestly that's about what I expected.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#71952: Jun 24th 2017 at 1:33:05 AM

There is exactly one guy who claims that it isn't as good as the first two Raimi movies and considering that one of his complains boils down to "without the origin story there isn't enough weight to the character" I am very comfortable with disregarding his opinion. This is obviously one of those people who think that the Raimi take is the golden grail which will never be reached no matter what.

Overall the reviews are even more positive than I expected....there has to be something big they didn't reveal in the marketing considering that other than "fun" the adjective which turns up the most often is "surprising". Guess this means that I'll go and watch it.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#71953: Jun 24th 2017 at 3:35:47 AM

On the other hand having a "fun Peter Parker" is bound to make those who disliked Raimi's movies because Spidey wasn't fun enough very happy, leading to opposite bias.

It pretty much looks like another good MCU entry...so, basically, like another MCU entry. Probably favored by those who place Guardians of the Galaxy or Deadpool at the top of their personal lists, more than by those who prefer The Winter Soldier or Logan.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#71954: Jun 24th 2017 at 6:13:43 AM

"Better than 3 and the Webb movies, not as good as Spider-Man 2" is about what I was hoping for/expecting, so that is good to hear.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#71955: Jun 24th 2017 at 6:17:48 AM

I just want a Spiderman movie I can enjoy without a major "but" attached to it...so far The Amazing Spider-man is my fav, and that is still a very flawed movie.

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#71956: Jun 24th 2017 at 6:20:22 AM

The origin has been done quite a bit. I don't mind skipping it.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#71957: Jun 24th 2017 at 10:11:17 AM

[up] Exactly my thought, too, which is exactly why I don't take this guy seriously.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#71958: Jun 24th 2017 at 10:48:05 AM

The complaint isn't totally without merit. While there was absolutely no reason to do another origin again when every single human being on the planet knows Spidey's origin (hell, it was criticized the last time they did it), Uncle Ben's murder does still lend a certain amount of emotional weight and motivation to his actions and motivation.

It didn't need to be shown again, but it'd be nice if it still informs Spider-Man as a character. Having not seen the movie, I can't say how they handled it, but it's not a baseless criticism in theory.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#71959: Jun 24th 2017 at 11:00:20 AM

Problem is that Spidey's origin requires more storytelling than Batman's, which can be dealt with in one flashback scene.

Plus the MCU will soon get its movie where the hero becomes who he is after the death of a father figure (Black Panther). Spiderman might have become redundant in hindsight, especially as BP's father's death happened on-screen already.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#71960: Jun 24th 2017 at 11:02:56 AM

I don't disagree. Like I said, doing the origin story again would have been comedic at this point. I just think that saying Uncle Ben's death provides an emotional connection or resonance for the audience is an invalid observation.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#71961: Jun 24th 2017 at 11:30:21 AM

It sounds like there will be something Bruce/Natasha related in Infinity War. I'm hoping it's small and not a Romantic Plot Tumor.

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#71962: Jun 24th 2017 at 11:36:10 AM

I always assumed it was going to be another 6-7/10 blandly competent anodyne summer movie, like most MCU films. Seems that was correct.

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#71964: Jun 24th 2017 at 2:29:37 PM

Spider-Man 2 is my favorite super hero movie of all time so it failing to reach that bar is just fine to me.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71965: Jun 24th 2017 at 4:28:29 PM

It sounds like there will be something Bruce/Natasha related in Infinity War.
She says that they have an ongoing "relationship," not that they are involved romantically.

I always assumed it was going to be another 6-7/10 blandly competent anodyne summer movie, like most MCU films. Seems that was correct.
Well, gee, it's not like the film has come out yet or even finished filming, but here you are judging it. More fuel for the "You're a troll" argument, I guess.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#71966: Jun 24th 2017 at 4:46:34 PM

Having some or even mostly shitty opinions does not a troll make. It's a cheap dismissal.

Anyway I can't remember if it was officially confirmed that Reed was going to direct Ant-Man and the Wasp? Probably took it for granted.

edited 24th Jun '17 4:48:15 PM by AlleyOop

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#71967: Jun 24th 2017 at 4:48:21 PM

I don't think considering most of the Marvel movies bland popcorn entertainment to be an unreasonable or shitty opinion, but if I was really that apathetic to it I wouldn't bother posting here either.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71968: Jun 24th 2017 at 4:50:02 PM

Having some or even mostly shitty opinions does not a troll make. It's a cheap dismissal.
It's an opinion on a movie that doesn't even have a trailer yet. There's judging a book by it's cover and then there's judging a book that hasn't come out yet and doesn't even have a cover.

Anyway I can't remember if it was officially confirmed that Reed was going to direct Ant-Man and the Wasp?
Yep, he was confirmed a while back.

I don't think considering most of the Marvel movies bland popcorn entertainment to be an unreasonable or shitty opinion, but if I was really that apathetic to it I wouldn't bother posting here either.
Judging prior movies is fine, it's judging movies that haven't even come out yet that is stupid.

edited 24th Jun '17 4:51:07 PM by alliterator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#71969: Jun 24th 2017 at 4:56:28 PM

Umm, what? I'm pretty sure he was commenting on the early screening impressions for Spider-Man Homecoming, a movie that will be out very soon this summer, and absolutely has had several trailers. Not Infinity War.

And a lot of people here haven't seen Bv S in its entirety but make snark about it all the time, but they're probably not all trolls either, despite what rabid DC fanboys might claim.

If this is his first post in this thread ever and it's just to complain about MCU movies then yeah it's a douchey thing to do but if he's been lurking for a while and that's his genuine opinion it's not trolling.

edited 24th Jun '17 4:59:02 PM by AlleyOop

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71970: Jun 24th 2017 at 5:16:57 PM

Umm, what? I'm pretty sure he was commenting on the early screening impressions for Spider-Man Homecoming, a movie that will be out very soon this summer, and absolutely has had several trailers. Not Infinity War.
He made a comment right after another one that was about Infinity War. In context, it looks like he's talking about that and not Spider-Man. In any case, even if he was talking about Spider-Man, the movie hasn't come out yet, so it's still judging a movie that hasn't been seen.

And a lot of people here haven't seen B v S in its entirety but make snark about it all the time, but they're probably not all trolls either, despite what rabid DC fanboys might claim.
I can't comment about anyone else, but I've seen BVS in its entirety (not the extended edition, just the theatrical one). In any case, saying "Other people have done it" is not an excuse.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#71971: Jun 24th 2017 at 5:35:11 PM

The way it and the post above it were worded I thought it was pretty clear he wasn't talking about IW or else it would've been a huge non sequitur. Besides, I and a bunch of other people in this thread took a similar opinion that the movie is probably good if kinda generic and not great despite not having watched the movie yet. His is just the only one that phrased it as a negative.

And I don't really see the point in getting upset about people not liking the MCU as long as they're not being huge assholes about it. Which I can't say he exactly wasn't, but won't say he totally was either.

But whatever, I don't think it's something worth derailing the thread and fighting or crying troll over.

edited 24th Jun '17 6:00:40 PM by AlleyOop

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71972: Jun 24th 2017 at 6:05:18 PM

I'm not upset if you actually watch the films in order to discuss their flaws. Hell, I hated BVS, but I've at least seen the movie, so I can tell you why it's terrible. But coming into a thread to declare a movie that hasn't aired yet to be "bland" is just silly. (Or "blandly anodyne," which is just pretentious.)

And the previous comments were talking about the reviews and how the reviews were worded and guessing how the movie might be because of the reviews.

edited 24th Jun '17 6:05:50 PM by alliterator

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#71973: Jun 24th 2017 at 6:47:34 PM

I remember that I refused to say in specifics how bad BVS was until I'd actually seen it, instead choosing to parrot the reviews I'd seen of it as justification for hating it.

After having seen it, I can confidently say that it is one of the most offensively and aggressively atrocious movies I've ever seen. No other movie pisses me off like BVS does.

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#71974: Jun 24th 2017 at 6:49:19 PM

...I liked the movie though.

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#71975: Jun 24th 2017 at 6:56:52 PM

[up]Yeah I like that movie and more important. WHY are we switching the thread into one troper? is not that against the rule? we should drop that now.

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