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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#71851: Jun 20th 2017 at 6:17:13 AM

About Spider-Man 2— yeah, was about to say.

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#71852: Jun 20th 2017 at 10:28:14 PM

I don't really see how would Logan rank above Spider-Man 2.

I mean, Logan's not a bad movie in anyway, but it was kind of... I don't know. Half the time I was fucking depressed by the bleakness, and the other half I spent annoyed by how badly it was try-harding to avoid every trope that define the superhero genre. I went to the movie expecting a harsher Wolverine movie, not "Not Without My Daughter WITH CLAWS AND CURSE WORDS!"

I have very mixed feelings about Logan, is what I'm trying to say.

But back to the topic.

Sony did 5 Spidey movies. One was great (SM 2), one was good-ish (SM 1), and the other three were fucking terrible (with AMS 2 having a special place in my heart because of how shitty it is). That's not a great record.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71853: Jun 20th 2017 at 10:51:01 PM

[up] The thing about Logan is that it's not a superhero movie. It's a Western set in a post-superhero world. (It has a lot of similarities to those Western deconstructions, like Shane and Unforgiven, where gunslingers are a thing of the past.)

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#71854: Jun 20th 2017 at 11:02:30 PM

The problem with Logan, to me at least, is that it poisons the rest of the series because you realize that literally none of them matter, everyone is going to die, and mutant genocide is inevitable.

It's like trying to enjoy A New Hope when you realize that everyone is alone, miserable, and a failure in The Force Awakens

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#71855: Jun 20th 2017 at 11:06:41 PM

I look at Logan as a What If story. DOFP introduced time travel, and Deadpool 2 is going to bring in Cable, so I'm willing to accept Logan as an alternate history, one that can still be averted, or at least a branch in the path that we won't necessarily take.

Logan's a pretty powerful emotional experience. It falters a little in the third act, but it's a great sendoff for both Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart.

edited 20th Jun '17 11:09:16 PM by Unsung

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71856: Jun 20th 2017 at 11:07:16 PM

The problem with Logan, to me at least, is that it poisons the rest of the series because you realize that literally none of them matter, everyone is going to die, and mutant genocide is inevitable.
Well, I mean, in a billion years, the sun is going to burn the Earth to a crisp and everyone you know or love will be dead, so does anything even matter?

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#71858: Jun 20th 2017 at 11:09:41 PM

If nothing we do matters, the only thing that matters is what we do.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71859: Jun 20th 2017 at 11:12:03 PM

Time to mourn the Earth with a dance party!

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#71860: Jun 21st 2017 at 5:54:44 AM

Speaking as someone with severe thanatophobia, please stop evil grin.

No, but seriously, the thing with Logan is, as Son Of Sharknado said, that it throws everything we know about the universe it is set in out the window to give us this story. And, to take it even further, we don't even get to see it happen.

I would've given a lot to see on the big screen Xavier killing most of mutantkind, the beginnings of Logan's poisoning, how the world reacted to that, so on and so forth. But instead of that they just tell us what happened, which I think it's the biggest mistake they could've done; not only because it raises more questions than it answers, but because they missed a huge opportunity to tell a two-part story that would've closed the circle of Logan's path. Instead, Logan feels as if I saw the first three seasons of a show, then skipped the next three seasons to make it to the final one. I understood the story, but I wanted them to show me how we got there, not to just throw me to the end. It just made me feel like the only reason this movie exists is because Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart are tired of playing those characters, not because they reached the final part of what they started.

Show, don't tell, people. It's simple as that.

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#71861: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:18:50 AM

I'm perhaps a minority opinion on the matter, but honestly, I don't think Spider-Man 2 is really that great. It's good, don't get me wrong. For its time, it was phenomenal. But I'm not inclined to say any of the Raimi films have aged that well after other superhero films started raising the bar.

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#71862: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:30:38 AM

I'm of a similar mind

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71863: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:35:07 AM

Show, don't tell, people. It's simple as that.
Logan does show us what's going on currently, without telling us much of what happened before (aside from a few lines about what might have happened with the X-Men and the implication that it's his skeleton that's killing Logan). But Logan isn't really concerned with the trappings of the genre. Here is a great video about how the movie deconstructs the superhero genre. And since this isn't the Logan thread, that's all I'll say.

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#71864: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:45:25 AM

I agree. Spider-Man 2 is genuinely good, but the acting of the leads is just as mediocre as all the other Raimi Spider-Man movies, it recycles most of the plot elements from Spider-Man, and it still has that goofy but trying to be cool despite the goofiness tone that both of the other movies also suffer for. Dr. Octapus is the best part of that movie, and while he's great, he's never going to top any 'best comic book movie villains ever' lists.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#71865: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:47:36 AM

I'm perhaps a minority opinion on the matter, but honestly, I don't think Spider-Man 2 is really that great. It's good, don't get me wrong. For its time, it was phenomenal. But I'm not inclined to say any of the Raimi films have aged that well after other superhero films started raising the bar.

Perhaps but I'm sure 10-20 years from now, some people will be saying the same thing of the super hero movies we like right now.

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#71866: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:49:08 AM

Agreed, Spider-Man 2 hasn't aged too well. When I was a kid I cried in the theater watching it. As an adult I'm just kind of bored watching it.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#71867: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:49:37 AM

[up][up][up]I find him better than 90 percent of the comic book movie villains we've gotten in recent years, especially if we're talking MCU. And I actually do see him frequently on lists of best superhero movie villains.

edited 21st Jun '17 7:03:40 AM by comicwriter

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#71868: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:57:09 AM

Alfred Molina as Doctor Octopus is at least in the top ten best of comic book movie villains. He's the one big memorable part that, even though the movie has badly aged, is still fondly remembered.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71869: Jun 21st 2017 at 7:00:23 AM

That and J Jonah Jameson, who will always be the best part of those movies forever and ever.

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#71870: Jun 21st 2017 at 7:02:37 AM

JK Simmons will never escape that role. You have no idea just how many Spider-Man references cropped up on the Gravity Falls subreddit when he joined the series.

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Halberdier17 We Are With You Zack Snyder from Western Pennsylvania Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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#71871: Jun 21st 2017 at 7:05:50 AM

[up]Or now that he is playing Commissioner Gordon in the DCEU. They have memes about him asking to get pictures of Batman.

Though I did see memes around his role in Whiplash and Portal 2.

edited 21st Jun '17 7:08:33 AM by Halberdier17

Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre Adventure
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#71872: Jun 21st 2017 at 7:07:56 AM

He needs pictures of Spider-Man, Batman, and Bill Cipher, not necessarily in that order.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#71873: Jun 21st 2017 at 7:38:57 AM

Most of the original Superhero movies haven't aged that well at all. Mostly because we didn't know what could be back then, so we praised mediocre movies as great. If you see only amateur performances on stage most of the time you are really impressed the moment you see a professional one and think it is the greatest thing ever...until you discover that there are even better ones out there.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#71874: Jun 21st 2017 at 8:37:40 AM

[up]I highly disagree, many didnt age well because some issue on the moment it was shoot but is not like Expanded universe are better just because of it, SS is thrash, Antman,Doctor strange and the two thor are boring while Ao U and Bv S are hot messes that have put their director into hatedom

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#71875: Jun 21st 2017 at 9:09:12 AM

[up][up]One person's mediocre is another person's great.


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