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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
See, here's the thing about that Venn Diagram: Homecoming isn't a film that can easily be divorced from the MCU and gone, "Hey, it's not necessarily part of the MCU! It could totally be in a separate universe of only Spider-characters exactly as it is!"
There is a huge, glaring problem with that and, as is too often the case, his name is Tony Stark. While he probably does not feature as heavily as the ads may indicate - I'm sure what we've seen in the trailers comprises all of his scenes - his involvement is still no minor thing. This is not an end-credits stinger where he just pops by to remind us all that Spidey's in the MCU.
He's Spidey's mentor. Spidey's motivations are heavily influenced by the desire to be an Avenger. Even his suit in the film is Stark tech.
Trying to create a separate universe and go, "Everything happened exactly the same, down to the last detail, but Iron Man and the Avengers aren't a thing," makes no sense in a story this heavily integrated in the MCU's continuity.
edited 19th Jun '17 6:10:11 AM by TobiasDrake
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SMH would still be part of the MCU, in the Venn diagram. It's the other two movies that would be off on their own. Basically SMH is itself the branching point for two timelines, and the Sony Spider-verse would be largely unable to acknowledge any of the MCU stuff. It's a Continuity Snarl waiting to happen and it would be better if Sony just let Marvel set their marching orders since Sony clearly can't get a grip on this.
I think the trouble people are having is one that comic book fans have long since gotten over: it doesn't fully make sense. It's contradictory. You're not missing something that reconciles the two; instead, it's best thought of as two separate timelines, if you're going to think of it at all. Which I wouldn't recommend.
edited 19th Jun '17 7:14:07 AM by Unsung
They already announced a Homecoming sequel. As for the rogue's gallery, I'm not sure what you're asking with that. Sony still has final say on the characters. Marvel can't just take his villains and use them without Spider-Man.
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Not anymore...the moment Sony advertised with the notion, it was infringing on a Marvel property. And having an official interview announcing it being part of the MCU, extended or not, counts. So either there is a prior agreement or Feige had some serious words with Amy Pascal after the interview.
edited 19th Jun '17 4:40:41 PM by Swanpride
I'm betting that's only the case if their deals specifically allow for it. Gone are the days where a Spider-Man movie can do something like indirectly acknowledge the existence of Dr. Strange as a gag, or do a kind of reference like how Superman The Animated Series talked about Batman long before the character showed up without specifically mentioning him ("that nut in Gotham City...").
Everyone is very particular about where their characters end up, and these spinoffs are probably going to be in an even more delicate situation because the MCU will have their eyes trained on them. Sony can't go "Iron Man and co exist in this universe, even if we don't say so" unless they get permission.
edited 19th Jun '17 6:09:42 PM by KnownUnknown
Someone already beat me to it, but I'll say it again: The moment Sony claims their movies are set in the same continuity as Spider-Man: Homecoming, they are crossing the line between unrelated spin-off and canon spin-off. They can't have it both ways because they ain't flying solo anymore; they would be messing with property that it's not theirs to mess with. If they set those movies within the continuity of the Spidey movie, they are setting them in the continuity of the MCU too.
As I've said, that's probably the reason they went from "these movies are not going to be canon to the MCU, total spin-offs with no relation to the Holland!Spidey" to "what? no, they're totally canon, like, seriously". They wanted to make them unrelated, and Marvel/Feige pulled the plug on that shit.
Say what you want, but I find it hard to believe that Marvel/Disney would jeopardize the reputation of their most succesful franchise by surrendering all creative control to the well-known fuck-ups at Sony.
edited 19th Jun '17 10:38:19 PM by ExplosiveLion
I mean, in Sony's defense, they have made some decent Spider-Man films. And, like, whether you think their worst is Spider-Man 3 or Amazing 2, both movies are still miles ahead in quality than movies like X-Men Origins: Wolverine or Fant4stic.
Of course, they've never made a Deadpool or Logan either, so both their highs and their lows are much more reserved than Fox's.
edited 20th Jun '17 6:05:31 AM by TobiasDrake
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