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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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I actually think that the reason why there were less connections in the third and fourth season was a combination of timing and the kind of movies which got released. Ant-man was released during the hiatus, so Ao S could only do a name-drop, Civil war did get a tie-in with the Sokovia accord having quite an impact on the show, and Doctor Strange and Got G Vol 2 are simply not the kind of movies which allow a direct tie-in (though they did take over quite a bit from Doctor Strange for the Ghost Rider arc).
Anyway, they gave the fans exactly what was promised, an universe in which everything is connected. They never promised direct cross-overs from the TV-shows to the movies.
edited 18th Jun '17 12:08:14 PM by Swanpride
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See, that seems like defending them in ways they don't really need. Being connected to the larger MCU, able to comment on and lead into movies as they were coming out, that was pretty much the original selling point of the show, what with Asgardians showing up and Maria Hill and Nick Fury guesting. I think we have a pretty good idea of why that's not happening anymore, and I don't think it's because the show was just like "Oh, star power? Movie tie-ins? No thank you, we can stand on our own juuust fine."
I think the show *can* stand on its own, but I don't think doing that was ever their first choice. Coulson's the ultimate in-universe fan, so baked into the premise you have the idea that the more fanservice the show can do, the better.
I understand the difficulties involved. That's why people were so hype about the show, because it seemed like they were going to take on those difficulties anyway.
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AOS should've just ignored the crisis and gone to Six Flags with Ant-Man. That would've been a good episode. Paul Rudd isn't that expensive, is he?
edited 18th Jun '17 1:00:39 PM by Unsung
The set-up seems fairly simple to me. Spider-Man: Homecoming is Canon for the MCU, so what happens in it will be treated as having happened in other MCU properties. It will also be canon for Sony's various Spider-Man spinoffs, so what happens in Homecoming will also be treated as having happened in those movies as well. That doesn't necessarily make these movie franchises part of the same universe, though. They can easily be different universes, where certain events involving Peter Parker learning to be a hero and fighting the Vulture just happened to play out the same in both.
Think of it like the Godzilla movies, where there have been many different Reboots and alternate continuties over the decades, but (except for the American versions) they all treat the original 1954 Gojira as canon. The Showa Era movies of The '50s, Sixties, and Seventies followed on from Gojira in standard sequel fashion. When the series rebooted in The Eighties with Godzilla 1984, it kept the events of the original movie canon, but claimed that nothing else giant monster related occurred between 1954 and 1984. The same tactic has been taken with every Japanese reboot of the character since then.
edited 18th Jun '17 12:19:47 PM by RavenWilder
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It doesn't matter they already think the X Men movies are in the MCU.
Some even think the DC movies are in the MCU because they don't know the difference between DC and Marvel.
Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre AdventureNow, does the show still want those tie-ins? Of course. Every tie-in potentially brings more viewers and they want all the viewers they can get (especially since Season 4 might have been the best critically, but it was the worst ratings wise). But that doesn't mean that they want to lose the independence they have achieved so far or the ability to tell stories outside of the main MCU.
But it doesn't work in the favour of the MCU. Sony can't just go, make movies and claim that they are connected in any shape or form to the MCU without Marvel's permission, and I see no reason for Marvel to agree, especially not without having considerable say over the movies.
Again, the first time the deal fell through was because the two studios couldn't agree on creative control. The second time it was officially claimed that Sony has creative control, but let's be real, that was mostly a polite lie, it is obvious that Feige has last say. There is no way whatsoever that Marvel will allow those movies to happen without having any control over them. Sony might, just might, have had a change to get away with making the movies and keeping the connection vague, but now that they officially announced that said connection exists, Marvel would have had an easy time to sue.
Well, yes. But they're not the ones in need of the help, which I suppose is the point.
Really? Because I can't possibly see that being true. They were in a bad way and desperately needed help with the franchise, but I cannot imagine they went and relinquished the right to approval on what is done with their characters. Were that the case I doubt they would have mentioned Venom and Black Cat movies period.
edited 18th Jun '17 12:58:53 PM by comicwriter
So this is confusing.
So, like, does Spider-Man: Homecoming exist in a state of dimensional flux then?
Though yeah, Feige's face screams "we're gonna have a looooong talk about this. Or, more accurately, our lawyers are".
edited 18th Jun '17 1:43:03 PM by Anomalocaris20
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This was from the initial announcement
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edited 18th Jun '17 2:51:02 PM by comicwriter
To try and cut through the confusion of "is it connected? Is it not?" what's happening is that Sony is trying to play it both ways and have their cake and eat it too: while Homecoming is connected to the MCU, Sony wants to have their own projects of their own, but still apparently be able to say they're connected to Homecoming to get that sweet synergy money and clout and (indirectly) ride the MCU's coattails.
Marvel Studios is almost certainly going to have a problem with this, in part because it's a continuity snarl waiting to happen, in part because such waffling screws with their control over the things that are relevant to their universe.
edited 18th Jun '17 8:23:32 PM by KnownUnknown
Fitzgerald met Hemingway, Einstein met Gandhi, King Kong met Godzilla, and now Thor has met
Symmetra and Sombra.

Eh. That's a cop-out. I don't think it was really about them being hampered, or rather the hampering only occurred because they were being ignored.