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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Good. That's the smart play. The MCU is a license to print money and Sony just gained the rights to borrow that money printer. It would be dumb of them not to capitalize on it.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I kind of get the feeling that nothing was actually decided on Marvel's end and this was entirely Sony's decision.
edited 18th Jun '17 10:21:45 AM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.Okay, imagine a venn diagram. And on one side is the MCU and on the other side is Sony's Marvel Universe. Right in the middle, where they meet, is Spider-Man: Homecoming.
edited 18th Jun '17 10:38:20 AM by alliterator
Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense.
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Highly unlikely. Most probably the guys at Marvel knew about Sony's plans to make the spinoffs and they went "Well, ok, if you're so decided to make those movies, fine, but you won't run any of that shit without us knowing about it and having some degree of control over it".
Marvel likely wouldn't have any control over the spinoffs if Sony insisted they not be part of the deal with Homecoming. Now, Sony revealing that they changed their minds about those being in their shared universe after already starting development, on the other hand...
I was expecting this, but I figured that they would wait on revealing that hey planned on having the spinoffs be canon to Homecoming "all along" until after Homecoming came out. It feels to me like they were hedging their bets in regards to whether Homecoming would be a success.
edited 18th Jun '17 11:12:33 AM by KnownUnknown
Yeah, but this makes no sense whatsoever. The MCU is a brand, and if Sony starts to make movies connected to the MCU and make a mistake, they might damage the brand. The main reason why the negotiations for a Spider-man cooperation fell through the first time around was because there was disagreement over who should have creative control. There is NO WAY that Marvel would allow Sony to play around in their universe with no control whatsoever.
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I guess that makes sense from a business/creative control/branding perspective but not really from a continuity one, at least not to me. So Homecoming is canon to the spinoffs, but the spinoffs aren't canon to the MCU even though Homecoming is clearly part of the MCU?
edited 18th Jun '17 11:17:42 AM by TommyFresh
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My guess is they will effectively be even if it's nothing official. Sony after all still has final say on Spider-Man characters, so it's unlikely the MCU will be allowed to do anything that explicitly contradicts whatever Sony is doing (for instance, introducing their own versions of Venom or Silver Sable).
You might think this all sounds stupid for Sony. Why not ask Marvel/Disney/Kevin Feige to oversee the Spider-Man: Homecoming spin-offs and thus allow them to be part of the MCU? After all, Marvel has a much better track record of making good movies than Sony does. The answer to this question, however, is like the answer to a lot of questions: money. The original deal to share Spider-Man with the MCU came about because Sony was allowed all of the profits of solo Spider-Man movies, but Marvel was allowed all the profits of MCU movies where Spider-Man is just another character. But Spider-Man spin-offs fall in a more nebulous area — if Marvel is overseeing them, of course Marvel would want some of that profit, they don't want to do things to free (they are doing Spider-Man: Homecoming because it allows them to use Spider-Man, but the spin-offs are all characters not as popular as Spider-Man). And Sony doesn't really want to share profits with Marvel either, hence not asking them to oversee the spin-offs.
So we have two companies that basically want to make as much money as possible and know that by collaborating with this one character, they can do so. But they also want to make more money via spin-offs and don't want to share in those profits, so they try to connect to the collaborative movie without actually collaborating on the spin-offs. See? Easy as pi.
edited 18th Jun '17 11:32:49 AM by alliterator
They promised #ItsAllConnected and in the first season and second season, it pretty much was connected — the show fed into the movies and movie characters (Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Sif) appeared on the show. That changed in the third season, probably because it hampered their ability to tell their own stories, so they decided to just stay out of the way, but also connect in more subtle ways (using magic when Doctor Strange was coming out, multiple references to the Sokovia Accords, etc). It's connected, but more subtly than people thought.

Amy Pascal now says the Venom and Black Cat/Silver Sable spin-offs WILL be canon with Homecoming
. Feige's face is priceless.
edited 18th Jun '17 10:04:02 AM by comicwriter