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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#71701: Jun 10th 2017 at 6:47:37 PM

[up]Think he was talking about Deadpool there. And if any movie's going to have the meta gag of Stan Lee onscreen, it's Deadpool, c'mon.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#71703: Jun 10th 2017 at 6:50:18 PM

[up][up]Fair enough.

Laughed out loud as his cameo in that.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#71704: Jun 11th 2017 at 9:14:29 AM

Something I spotted about Killmonger after viewing the trailers a few times which involves minor spoilers. I noticed scars or burns on his body[1][2] and in the EW article it's implied he experimented with the heart-shaped herb and something may have gone wrong. Which I guess means they're going the route where the herb is applied to the skin and not eaten

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#71705: Jun 11th 2017 at 10:53:25 AM

[up] I don't know a lot about how it works in the comics, but it does make a lot of sense that it would require extremely specific methods to actually get superpowers from the heart-shaped herb (some of which could be mystical) instead of just ripping it out to the ground and taking a bite.

If nothing else it makes it easier to answer the question of "Why doesn't Wakanda have a whole army of Black Panthers?". Which is a question the movie is going to have to answer even if it's not necessarily a difficult question to answer.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#71706: Jun 11th 2017 at 11:11:02 AM

Besides it helps sidestep some of the genetic Fridge Logic over how the Wakandan royal family is susceptible to the herb's effects. Especially if it's autosomal, meaning that if the royal family has lots of children besides the main heir, the gene could spread all over the Wakandan population. Unless they launch branch families and Wakandan consorts have to be chosen from one of these in a form of eugenics, which clearly isn't the case with Ramonda (who is from South Africa) or the fact that T'Challa's prospective bride is to come from the Dora Milaje.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71707: Jun 11th 2017 at 11:21:52 AM

the fact that T'Challa's prospective bride is to come from the Dora Milaje.
Actually, they aren't. They are wives-in-training technically, but it's all symbolic — each of the Dora Milaje comes from a different tribe in Wakanda, so T'Challa technically can't marry any of them or else it would tip the balance of power towards that tribe. (In the comics, T'Challa actually had an American girlfriend for a while and then went on to marry Storm, before getting an annulment.)

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#71708: Jun 11th 2017 at 11:25:23 AM

The religious leader of Wakanda understood that there were irreconcilable differences and granted T'Challa the annulment with no hassle.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#71709: Jun 11th 2017 at 12:46:05 PM

[up][up][up][up]There is a funny bit in the Avengers cartoon where Hawkeye eats some of the herb and T'Challa then informs him it's fatal to everyone not of the royal bloodline. It's implied he's just fucking with Hawkeye to watch him freak out.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#71711: Jun 11th 2017 at 1:11:40 PM

[up][up] Fucking with Hawkeye is one of EMH Black Panther's favorite things. It's one of the few things we see that brings him actual joy.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#71712: Jun 11th 2017 at 6:03:38 PM

[up]

I can't blame him considering that EMH Hawkeye, while pretty fun, is a massive wise ass.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#71713: Jun 11th 2017 at 6:15:04 PM

Chris Evans talks a little a bit about why he signed on to do Avengers 4.

"I had six films in my Marvel contract, so I could have said after the third Avengers I was done, but they wanted to make the third and fourth Avengers films as a two-parter. They said they had so many other characters to fit in – Guardians of the Galaxy, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Ant Man – and couldn’t get them all in

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#71714: Jun 11th 2017 at 6:17:27 PM

Couldn't the herb be similar to the super-soldier serum (and Thor's hammer, for that matter) in that it only works properly for people who meet certain criteria of merit? That could explain why it's not widely used, why it didn't work for Killmonger. As well as why Wakanda's able to sustain a system of absolute monarchy - the system would be more likely to held up this long if it was literally impossible for someone corrupt or incompetent to become king. Merit-based inheritance, rather than solely primogeniture-based.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#71715: Jun 11th 2017 at 6:33:51 PM

I just found out that Killmonger's real name is actually N'Jadaka. Which means he chose to call himself ERIK KILLMONGER. Guys, this is amazing.

edited 11th Jun '17 6:34:20 PM by Nightwire

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#71716: Jun 11th 2017 at 6:52:00 PM

He was on the same supervillain name Reddit thread as Kilgrave.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#71717: Jun 11th 2017 at 7:51:48 PM

Brad Killfarmer. Stevediah Deathsmith. Killian Killigan Juniormurder.

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#71718: Jun 11th 2017 at 7:54:06 PM

Adam X the X-Treme

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71719: Jun 11th 2017 at 8:37:32 PM

By the way, you guys, I just wanted to let you know about the most perfect Daredevil joke ever that was made in Rocket #2. It totally applies to the show, not just the comic, too.

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#71720: Jun 11th 2017 at 9:27:20 PM

FROGURT AND MURD BLURDOCK FOR MCU CANON NOW.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#71721: Jun 11th 2017 at 9:31:30 PM

Amazing.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#71722: Jun 11th 2017 at 9:44:48 PM

He's probably still less of a dick than Matt.tongue

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#71723: Jun 11th 2017 at 9:46:53 PM

"Come fight ninjas" sums up so much.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#71724: Jun 11th 2017 at 9:56:04 PM

How did she write it?

My various fanfics.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#71725: Jun 11th 2017 at 10:02:50 PM

@Galadriel

If so I wonder how the herb would even be able to judge that. Mjolnir has some advanced technology going on and the Super Serum was powered by a more complicated brew of Zeerust science.

@Chris Evans in Avengers 4

If I'm not reading it wrong I guess that's a confirmation of who is and isn't going to be in those films?


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