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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#71576: Jun 5th 2017 at 10:35:30 AM

Chris Hemsworth remains a gift.

Also interesting to note a War Machine figure is included. I think he's the only one there who was previously unconfirmed.

edited 5th Jun '17 10:37:48 AM by comicwriter

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#71577: Jun 5th 2017 at 12:27:34 PM

It must have been tough finding an actor able to lift Mjolnir. They really got lucky that Hemsworth also looks like Thor.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#71578: Jun 5th 2017 at 2:29:26 PM

I really hope Infinity War has a version of that scene where Tony tries to make Thor play ball with the aftermath of Civil War and Thor... strongly disagrees.

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#71579: Jun 5th 2017 at 3:17:18 PM

I don't.

Wouldn't really fit with the MCU Tony's half-assed commitment to the accords.

And also I want the team to come together in Infinity War, not beat Tony apart.

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#71580: Jun 5th 2017 at 3:26:34 PM

It would also constitute a massive character regression for Thor as well.

  • Tony: We need you to be diplomatically conscientious of your actions.
  • Thor: Screw you! The Prince of Asgard goes where he wants and hits whoever he wants! Being Thor automatically makes me above both laws and borders! Now where are some Jotuns I can smite?

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#71581: Jun 5th 2017 at 3:34:24 PM

I would kind of like that comic plotline to be alluded to by having Tony comment how he'd considered cloning Thor based on DNA lying around Stark Tower. And then after a Beat where everyone glares at him, he'd comment that he didn't do it, because that would be wrong.

edited 5th Jun '17 3:35:19 PM by Hodor2

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#71582: Jun 5th 2017 at 5:22:16 PM

Stark isn't a biologist. He wouldn't know where to begin cloning a person.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#71584: Jun 5th 2017 at 5:24:44 PM

Well, he has that cradle thingy from Helen Cho. Take some of Thor's DNA and I'd imagine you're good to go.

I imagined part of the joke might be Tony adding a pragmatic reason why it wouldn't work, suggesting that was the principle reason for not pursuing it.

edited 5th Jun '17 5:25:31 PM by Hodor2

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#71585: Jun 5th 2017 at 5:25:48 PM

"I knew this guy, Miles Warren, we were in the same book club. He said he was in the cloning field but then he got fired for inappropriate attraction to a student. Long story short, a lot of his book suggestions make a whole lot more sense now."

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71586: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:54:31 PM

"And for some weird reason, all the examples were named 'Gwen.' It got confusing after a while."

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#71587: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:50:25 PM

That just sounds like a bad comic book plot.

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#71589: Jun 7th 2017 at 10:42:35 AM

Executive Producer Nate Moore talks about what's next for Marvel.[1]

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#71590: Jun 7th 2017 at 10:46:08 AM

In typical "interview with someone in the business about the future" style, he doesn't really say much of anything. He's pretty good at it, too. Some people say "nothing" and accidentally say everything.

He does at least possibly confirm that going forward Marvel is more interested in new characters rather than specifically continuing the old characters' stories, but we basically knew that already.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#71591: Jun 7th 2017 at 11:47:46 AM

Concept art showing how expressive Spider-Man's mask can get.

Meanwhile, Sony's executives are having this conversation with themselves:

Executive 1: Goddammit! People love this! Why didn't we think of this?!

Executive 2: Because we didn't care?

Executive 1: (sigh) Oh my god, that's right...

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#71592: Jun 7th 2017 at 11:57:11 AM

Hannah John-Kamen joins Ant-Man & The Wasp[1]

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#71593: Jun 7th 2017 at 12:02:06 PM

[up][up]More like because no one in the audience cared at the time.

edited 7th Jun '17 12:13:17 PM by windleopard

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#71594: Jun 7th 2017 at 12:18:03 PM

[up][up][up]I don't think anyone cared about that. It's a nice mythology gag but I've literally never met someone who said "Wow, Spider-Man 2 was a great movie, but I can't in good conscience say I enjoyed it, because the eyes on the mask didn't move!"

Hannah John-Kamen has been cast in Ant-Man & The Wasp in a "key role".

edited 7th Jun '17 12:18:42 PM by comicwriter

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#71595: Jun 7th 2017 at 12:58:27 PM

They might have if he kept it on for more then ten seconds at a time.

Superhero masks are a catch-22 on film. Comics get away with using them as an Acceptable Break from Reality by making them expressive, allowing the character to emote through the sheet of fabric blocking their face.

On film, you either keep your character's features obscured for huge segments of story, preventing them from properly displaying expressions, or you remove their mask at the earliest opportunity so that they can emote to the camera. Now, cowls are a great way of avoiding this. Characters like Batman or Captain America don't have much trouble emoting through theirs, because their facial features are still legible.

Full-face coverings, on the other hand, are a nightmare. Iron Man cleverly worked around this with their in-helm shots, letting Downey emote while still keeping his helmet on most of the time he's suited up. Very well done.

Deadpool took a new approach and went, "F*ck it, what if we just let the mask make expressions like it does in the comic?" And it worked marvelously. It's nice to see Marvel trying their luck at that approach too.

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#71596: Jun 7th 2017 at 1:43:49 PM

Spider-Man's would be especially problematic in live action if it were kept 'static' as it doesn't even look particularly like a human face in as much as the eyes are much larger and whiter and of course have no pupils. It would be very hard to get much emotion out of that when it lacks the common human features we use to judge expression.

Having 'emotive masks' is probably something of a necessary weasel if they want to avoid Spidey or whoever losing their masks every thirty seconds (and from promo material even in Homecoming Pete/Spider-Man is going mask-less fairly frequently.)

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#71597: Jun 7th 2017 at 2:26:53 PM

RE Hannah John-Kamen, well given the dearth of supporting cast members for any iteration of Ant-Man, I'd guess either Janice!Beetle, Janet, or Darla Deering.

Although the latter would presumably be out for rights issues and she seems a bit young for Janet, even factoring in the microverse.

So I'm going to go with Janice!Beetle based on actress appearance and the fact that not only did the character appear in Nick Spencer's Ant-Man run, but her costume basically looks like a Palette Swap of a Wasp costume (not to mention the coincidental shared insect-motif) anyway.

edited 7th Jun '17 2:30:55 PM by Hodor2

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#71598: Jun 7th 2017 at 3:37:37 PM

She could be a gender swap version of Bill Foster. Heck, she could even be called "Bill."

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#71599: Jun 7th 2017 at 4:17:10 PM

Or just another Canon Foreigner. Everyone thought T.I. or Wood Harris were gonna end up being Bill in the first movie and they wound up playing two made-for-movie characters.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010

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