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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Batroc put up a good fight, but when a trained human fighter goes up against a trained superhuman fighter, the human loses (And Steve in the MCU is totally superhuman, even if relatively low on the power scale compared to the big boys.) When it came down to the wire, Steve handed Batroc's butt to him pretty decisively.
Although that does raise the question of when exactly DID Steve get any kind of combat training (beyond possibly army CQC moves?) Or do we simply assume the serum sort of supercharged his skill as well as his physique?
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."Also, he really wasn't able to give Steve that much trouble. The second Steve decided to try a little bit, it was a curbstomp symphony.
My various fanfics.That this is the last Hydra base implies they've been hitting other Hydra bases prior to this. Also, the movies give approximately zero f*cks about Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Again,
- Thor: Loki's scepter must be here. Strucker couldn't mount this defense without it. At long last.
- Romanov: At long last is lasting a little long, boys.
- Barton: Yeah, I think we lost the element of surprise.
The element of surprise. Barton is outright stating that the Avengers wanted to get into a better position before engaging this battle, but Strucker's border patrol spotted them touching down. There was always going to be a battle. They are not here to sightsee.
Like, I can't believe we're even having this conversation. What do you f*cking think they were doing in Sokovia? Was Thor going to walk up to the front door and go, "Hello, good sirs. We are peaceful envoys here to calmly negotiate terms by which to purchase Loki's scepter."
edited 3rd Jun '17 2:04:23 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.edited 3rd Jun '17 2:08:17 PM by alliterator
I'm going to be honest, I don't even know what you're trying to argue at this point. You just said exactly what we've been saying: that Hydra is a terrorist organization and the Avengers have been attacking them. I have no idea how you can possibly twist that into a self-defense claim.
Someone being a bad dude does not make any engagement of violence with them automatically become self-defense. Self-defense is not alignment-based. You cannot walk into someone's house uninvited and when they threaten you with a gun and demand that you leave, stab them in the face and go, "Self-defense! They threatened my person! This is their fault, not mine!" No matter how evil that person is, that does not make it an act of self-defense.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I wasn't pointing out that the Avengers weren't there to stop them, I was pointing that that the assumption that the Avengers have been attacking them all over the world is just that: an assumption. There is no proof of it.
edited 3rd Jun '17 2:38:47 PM by alliterator
Which is the difference between reality and a comic book movie. But having them sanctioned by the US government doesn't change what they did.
There are certain things in a comic book film that are Willing Suspensions of Disbelief. The Avengers being allowed to exist without being completely taken over by the government is one of those things.
edited 3rd Jun '17 2:53:15 PM by alliterator
" AOU was written and directed by Joss Whedon, who knew exactly what was going to happen on the show and the movie. He may have been too busy to feature any cameos in the movie, but he let the show know ahead of time what was going to happen so that the show could then lead directly into the movie (which is what it did)."
which matter not seen is usually yhe show who give some fucks about movies and not the other way around, which it kidna show with inhuman being all over the world and Tony and Steve being busy punching each other in the dick.
and even them, that is capturing a know criminal, not self defense, that is closer to frank justification of "if he hit him first, he wont hurt anyone"
edited 3rd Jun '17 3:20:00 PM by alliterator
edited 3rd Jun '17 3:33:28 PM by alliterator
Frank loses for exactly that reason. Light would know his true name and face, so killing him would be easy, while Frank has no way to know who Light is, or where he is (they wouldn't even be in the same country).
That being said, I'm sure Light could get a lot of mileage out of Frank by writing him to kill quite a few people first, since that's the latter's MO anyway. Probably write him in as mowing down some criminals that Light specifically wants him to get rid of.
One Strip! One Strip!Are people actually assuming that, if the Avengers had shown up at the Hydra base and all of the Hydra guys had thrown down their weapons and surrendered, the Avengers would have started hitting and shooting them anyway? 'Cause unless the Hulk was pre-emptively triggered, I don't see that happening, and if that's not the case, then self-defense absolutely applies. If you're a wanted fugitive and someone tries to arrest you, even if it's a citizen's arrest, you do not have the right to violently attack them in order to escape, and if you do, then they absolutely have the right to fight back.
edited 3rd Jun '17 5:19:00 PM by RavenWilder
Everyone sounds dumb.
I'm on episode 6. Colleen's smile is the cutest thing. Claire is awesome. I like all the interaction between Danny and Colleen. I feel like their actors have good chemistry.
My various fanfics.

Because he's a very well-trained normal human.