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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#71251: May 29th 2017 at 5:41:36 PM

And then he immediately insults her students and acts like a complete douche.

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#71252: May 29th 2017 at 5:42:22 PM

...By offering to pay rent for six months?

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#71253: May 29th 2017 at 5:48:33 PM

You're not at the chattering monkeys scene yet?

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#71254: May 29th 2017 at 5:49:39 PM

Oh, no, still on episode 3.

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#71255: May 29th 2017 at 5:50:52 PM

That's the episode where it happens.

Give it a bit.

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#71256: May 29th 2017 at 5:51:59 PM

I think this is it.

EDIT: Don't see the problem with calling them chattering monkeys. They are being kinda goofy, especially when compared to how he was probably taught in K'un Lun.

I mean, maybe it's a little problematic because he says the line to a black guy.

edited 29th May '17 5:53:08 PM by SonOfSharknado

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#71257: May 29th 2017 at 5:54:04 PM

I wanted to punch Danny after that. And after he broke into Joy's house. And after he got into Ward's car and took him on a joy ride.

Danny is just really punchable and kind of douchey, naivety aside. I can't believe I'm saying this but I like Matt more than I like Danny.

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Him saying it to a black guy is part of it.

edited 29th May '17 5:55:01 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#71258: May 29th 2017 at 5:56:50 PM

I mean, I kinda get it. He's a guy trying to go home to a world where nothing makes sense anymore. Nobody believes who he is, his friends don't believe him, they think he's lying to them, they act angry to him. I get why he did what he did to Ward, because apparently Ward was always an asshole and Danny just snapped.

EDIT: And with the Dojo scene, again, I get it. Like, in his next flashback, we see Danny literally getting beaten bloody as part of his training. This is what he understands a Dojo is. It's not fun, it's not kid-around time. He doesn't understand learning martial arts for recreation or sport or self defense. For him, it's literally warfare.

edited 29th May '17 5:59:46 PM by SonOfSharknado

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#71259: May 29th 2017 at 5:58:45 PM

I get it too, but it still rubs me the wrong way really badly.

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#71260: May 29th 2017 at 6:01:52 PM

Hey, Jery! She's not being a piece of shit! Turns out all she needed was to lose literally everything because she was an awful person.

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#71261: May 29th 2017 at 6:03:47 PM

J-Money caught me off-guard. I wasn't expecting to see her again until JJ season 2 or somesuch.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#71262: May 29th 2017 at 7:10:25 PM

[up][up][up]I've dealt with enough brats and know it alls in gyms that I just felt the kid was a little punk. It wasn't racial for me. Maybe we're reading it two different ways.

edited 29th May '17 7:11:18 PM by Beatman1

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#71263: May 29th 2017 at 7:35:42 PM

Danny still came off as a douche in that moment. I dunno, he just sounded so fucking self righteous and pretentious not just in that moment, but in so many other moments. I've seen people compare him to a hipster who just came back from a trip to China, and he feels exactly like that to me.

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#71264: May 29th 2017 at 7:39:02 PM

[up]Then we are definitely reading it differently, where I see the kid as the jackass who thinks he knows everything because he watched a few UFC's.

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#71265: May 29th 2017 at 7:39:41 PM

That's how Danny feels to me more than anything.

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#71266: May 29th 2017 at 7:42:08 PM

I mean, if you call fifteen years a "trip". He was literally in K'un Lun longer than he was ever in America.

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#71267: May 29th 2017 at 7:45:57 PM

He was definitely being an asshole in that scene. Racial subtext aside, he is being incredibly presumptuous by trying to bring K'un L'un style discipline somewhere it was not asked for.

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#71268: May 29th 2017 at 7:46:49 PM

Which I would've conceded to if we had any flashbacks to develop his time there or an actor who could actually fight and was prepared properly for the fight scenes.

Hell, the show undermines Danny's entire character so much that it just flat out admits he's pathetic.

Davos did nothing wrong and Danny is the worst Iron Fist ever. And K'un L'un is run by abusive idiots so screw them too.

edited 29th May '17 7:47:29 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#71269: May 29th 2017 at 7:47:47 PM

Even worse than animated Ultimate Spider-Man vague surfer hippy Iron Fist?

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#71270: May 29th 2017 at 7:47:59 PM

[up][up][up][up]Yeah, but he never really feels like he was. Like, if Finn Jones was nailing the performance, maybe some of these issues would clear up a bit.

edited 29th May '17 7:48:14 PM by Unsung

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#71271: May 29th 2017 at 7:48:20 PM

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At least he can fight.

edited 29th May '17 7:48:44 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#71272: May 29th 2017 at 7:49:15 PM

I don't recall that because watching Ultimate Spider-Man made me bleed from my ears and eyes and screech dark syllables from forgotten languages.

But that is good to hear.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71273: May 29th 2017 at 7:52:22 PM

people would complain ether way, just with the DCCU instead of zack
"People will complain no matter what" isn't an excuse though. And even though Snyder himself may not use the character, other writers/directors might want to use him. And now they can't, unless they do some sort of ridiculous retcon (like when Smallville killed Jimmy and then had him have a twin brother who also somehow named Jimmy?).

you see....it dosent matter and playing that is just emocional weight, marvel didnt give a damn to kill quicksilver or cut the part of wanda in civil war because they go against the narrative, the idea marvel give a shit about their fans is pretty damn hilarious considering they have disposed chararters before.
They killed Quicksilver after having him be in an entire movie and giving him a bunch of cool scenes. I have no idea what "cut the part of wanda in civil war" means — she already had a large role in Civil War. And yes, Marvel does care about their fans — because fans are the ones who buy stuff and Marvel loves money, therefore Marvel cares about their fans.

edited 29th May '17 7:53:12 PM by alliterator

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#71274: May 29th 2017 at 7:58:14 PM

I just think that the problem most people have with Iron Fist is their own feelings about the whole Mighty Whitey stuff.

I, personally, don't see it. What difference does it make if he's white? Would you have a problem if he was latino? Would the "chattering monkeys" line wouldn't have been as offensive to you if he was black, or if the kid that he was facing while he said it was asian? Should Colleen be hindu to justify her (percieved) inferiority when facing Danny?

He's better than Colleen because he spent half his life getting Training from Hell, non-stop. He says that they are chattering monkeys because they're not taking him, her, or the art itself seriously. He, in fact, probably was scolded in the exact same way when he was a kid.

He doesn't know better. He thinks the rules of K'un L'un (spelling?) also work in the real world. It's established very early on the show when he goes to Colleen and he challenges her. He thinks that's how the real world works too.

We are making this more about his skin colour rather than the reasons he had to say what he said or the merit in actually being able to keep up with Colleen.

edited 29th May '17 8:02:01 PM by ExplosiveLion

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#71275: May 29th 2017 at 8:00:07 PM

It makes a world of difference that the white guy is better at martial arts than the Asians who trained him and he becomes their protector.

Even then, the show beats us over the head that he's awful at his job. Danny is an idiot who doesn't know what the hell he's doing most of the time. Why is this white asshole the Iron Fist when he's a shitty fighter and an incompetent dumbass?

edited 29th May '17 8:02:42 PM by AdricDePsycho

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