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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#71026: May 23rd 2017 at 7:49:49 PM

Was just about to say, isn't Professor X kind of an asshole?

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#71027: May 23rd 2017 at 7:51:09 PM

I'll give him that he's not as bad as he could be. Not like his sister, anyway.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#71028: May 23rd 2017 at 7:55:10 PM

Yeah, probably should've limited that to Patrick Stewart as Professor X. And even then there's whatever went down pre-Logan.

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#71029: May 23rd 2017 at 7:56:08 PM

Yeah but he kinda wiped Moira's memory in First Class, remember?

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#71030: May 23rd 2017 at 7:57:28 PM

True. But he wasn't Patrick Stewart then. It takes a lot of time and effort to get to be Patrick Stewart. Not trying to say he wouldn't have fucked up along the way, no matter the timeline.

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#71031: May 23rd 2017 at 8:14:31 PM

I'm pretty sure Drew could beat Jones' ass.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#71032: May 23rd 2017 at 8:18:41 PM

"Seriously, that power doesn't stop being super creepy just because you give it to a woman. "

Yeah, I think Jones is going to hate everyone with that kind of powers, it is just to much for her.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#71033: May 23rd 2017 at 8:35:57 PM

I think those powers are inherently pretty creepy for anyone, to be fair. My point was that most people with that kind of power would fall far short of Professor X's relatively responsible use of his powers, but even he can be pretty intrusive and manipulative when he wants to be, even at his best. And how can you ever really be sure he's *not* controlling you on some level? It's a huge temptation even for someone who starts out as being a relatively decent person.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#71034: May 23rd 2017 at 9:00:36 PM

So me and my folks have four episodes left in Jessica Jones.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#71035: May 23rd 2017 at 9:03:45 PM

Telepathy is always an interesting power (and one of my favourites in fiction). The connotation of "pheromones" is a kind of mind-influence that's specifically related to inducing physical attraction, which I find uniquely creepy as a power. Any telepathy can be misused, but the specific power to make people be attracted to you (unrelated to other telepathic powers like mind-reading, jedi mind trick, etc., which have obvious combat-related applications) pretty much can't be used in a non-creepy manner, except to spice up your already-consensual love life if you have one.

edited 23rd May '17 9:04:49 PM by Galadriel

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#71036: May 23rd 2017 at 9:04:40 PM

Lets put her in the shame corner with Starfox

On second thought, separate corners.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#71037: May 23rd 2017 at 9:12:26 PM

Are we all forgetting that the Purple Man literally has a daughter whose gone by the name Persuasion and the Purple Woman?

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#71038: May 23rd 2017 at 9:14:58 PM

Oh man, I hope she shows up in season 2.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#71039: May 23rd 2017 at 9:15:19 PM

That reminded me of something always came to mind in discussions of Starfox and the Purple Man.

One thing I find amusing and potentially disturbing is how in Mistborn, a male character with the power to soothe emotions, providing a Compelling Voice like effect ends up pairing off with a female character with the equal/opposite power of inflaming emotions. Just as in-universe, the character avoided close relationships because he couldn't avoid temptations to use his powers, I get a sense that out-of-universe, the author considered it too rapey for either of them to be in a relationship with anyone else.

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#71040: May 23rd 2017 at 9:20:25 PM

"You killed my father!"

"Your father was a piece of shit who would have used you like he used everyone else."

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#71041: May 23rd 2017 at 9:24:22 PM

If Persuasion were to show up (which doesn't seem likely), I'd rather it was on another show. It doesn't feel quite right for Jessica Jones' show— her life— to go on being about Purple Man in any way after killing him.

edited 23rd May '17 9:24:48 PM by Unsung

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#71042: May 23rd 2017 at 10:44:15 PM

Isn't the idea behind pheromones that everyone is emitting them all the time, and characters with pheromone powers just emit more potent ones than everyone else? If those powers are a creepy violation of people's free will, then aren't all face-to-face interactions a creepy violation of free will, too?

Assuming human pheromones exist, that is, which hasn't been conclusively proven.

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#71043: May 23rd 2017 at 11:40:49 PM

Only if the pheromones in question are so strong that the other person cannot resist. How much control you have your pheromones exactly is tricky, but if you're compelling people to obey your every whim against their conscious desires, I think consent's pretty clearly out the window.

edited 23rd May '17 11:46:39 PM by Unsung

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#71044: May 23rd 2017 at 11:41:31 PM

So, like, how have the comics addressed Jessica Drew's pheromones, then?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#71045: May 24th 2017 at 12:01:14 AM

As far as I know Kilgrave's daughter isn't a even villain in the comics - except when written by the occasional writer who thinks In the Blood is an edgy and cool reason to rewrite her as evil.

The MCU is no stranger to adapting heroes as villains, but it'd bug me if they adapted her as a bad guy just for a revenge plot - it's a poor reason to waste such an interesting character concept. Especially since she's associated with Alpha Flight - the more I learn about those guys, the more I really want them to show up in the MCU (beyond the Easter Eggs we've already got).

edited 24th May '17 12:02:32 AM by KnownUnknown

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#71046: May 24th 2017 at 12:07:01 AM

I thought Persuasion was on the Young Avengers?

edited 24th May '17 12:07:07 AM by Unsung

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#71047: May 24th 2017 at 12:12:50 AM

She could be. I only know of the Alpha Flight stuff, though.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#71048: May 24th 2017 at 12:15:31 AM

Oops, that was meant as more of a question as to whether or not she's a villain.

Alpha Flight, though. So are there any Canadians on the current roster?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#71049: May 24th 2017 at 12:20:08 AM

According to That Other Wiki, currently all but one is Canadian. The non-Canadian is a space alien.

One of them even wears a maple leaf symbol.

edited 24th May '17 12:20:32 AM by KnownUnknown

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#71050: May 24th 2017 at 12:25:54 AM

Yep, Vindicator. Or Guardian. One of those. But I think I remember there was a point when all but one member of Alpha Flight were not Canadian.

So Purple Man's daughter is Canadian, then? That's an unexpected piece of trivia.


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