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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#71001: May 23rd 2017 at 4:47:22 PM

I think Sony is planning on a Black Cat and Silver Sable movie separate from the MCU like the Venom movie with Tom Hardy. It has more potential than a Venom movie, to be honest.

Anyone want to see Jessica Drew as Spider-Woman in the movies? I'm kind of confused about the whole rights thing with her but I'd be interested in seeing her in an Avengers movie or as a bit character in a film or something.

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#71002: May 23rd 2017 at 4:51:33 PM

Jessica Drew debuted separately from Spider-Man comics and is primarily an Avengers character, right?

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#71003: May 23rd 2017 at 4:53:07 PM

Yeah but there was something with the rights somehow still being with Sony, or partially with Sony, I think?

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#71004: May 23rd 2017 at 4:53:28 PM

Literally the only thing that Jessica Drew has that could conceivably connect her to Spider-Man is that her superhero alias has the "Spider-" prefix.

There are some who insist that's enough to qualify her as a Spider-Man character. I am not one of those. She is not in any way, shape, or form related to the Spider-Man franchise.

edited 23rd May '17 4:54:37 PM by TobiasDrake

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#71005: May 23rd 2017 at 4:55:08 PM

From what little I know of her she doesn't qualify either. Her powers aren't even similar to Spider-Man's. The closest similarity they have outside of their similar hero names is their outfits.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#71006: May 23rd 2017 at 5:02:18 PM

Iirc, thing about Spider-Woman was posted a while back. Marvel can use her, but can't use her superhero name or the costume, which given the nature of her character isn't really a problem.

They can even use Julia Carpenter, who was an actual iffy case.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#71007: May 23rd 2017 at 5:03:25 PM

She was created as an excuse to snatch up the Spider-Woman name after Spider-Man took off, but is otherwise unrelated. I believe the Spider-Woman hero name belongs to Sony, but Jessica Drew and everything else except that name are fully Marvel's.

So Sony can make a Spider-Woman movie about Mary Jane or Spider-Gwen or so on, but they can't make her Jessica Drew.

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#71008: May 23rd 2017 at 5:03:38 PM

The closest connection I can think of is her Ultimate counterpart being a clone of Peter.

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#71009: May 23rd 2017 at 5:07:16 PM

Honestly, I'd prefer them just not giving her the Spider-Woman code name if they use her.

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#71010: May 23rd 2017 at 5:09:34 PM

It's not like the movies really care overmuch about code names anyway. Hell, they're often used as a joke, like Peter Quill's insistence on being called Star-Lord; ironically one of the few superhero code names that is actually justifiable in-universe, being an official title that makes sense in context once you meet his Comics Dad.

Point is, when characters do have an alias, there's usually a lot of work that goes into justifying them having it in the MCU. It's not just, "Hi, I'm a magnificent poof, you will address me as Spoon Man."

edited 23rd May '17 5:11:08 PM by TobiasDrake

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#71011: May 23rd 2017 at 5:12:19 PM

Honestly, thinking it over, I'm debating if Jessica Drew is a good fit for either the movies or the TV side. Jessica Jones is supposed to be an expy or her, right? It'd be interesting to see her cameo on one of the Netflix shows, maybe as a rival PI to Jessica Jones.

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#71012: May 23rd 2017 at 5:18:58 PM

"So what's your deal?"

"I have super strength."

"Me too."

"I don't hate myself or have crippling alcoholism."

"Huh. What's that like?"

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#71013: May 23rd 2017 at 5:21:19 PM

"Why?"

Because the airport fight is exactly what it need it: it manage to broke the avenger into only 3 members(who just happen to be the EXACT ones for brutal confrontation) while giving him enought time to get into siberia and take the tapes, the whole thing just work if ONLY the three of them are there, if there is another avenger like Vision or Wanda they would trap Zemo or stop Stark right there

He didnt break the avenger, the Acords did, he just finish and already wound beast.

"Stark tries to kill Bucky, Rogers defends Bucky, each of them are defended by their friends, things escalate"

Nobody would follow Stark personal vendetta, have the team being there Vision and Scarlet would deal with him and the rest would take Zemo

" if it doesn't happen Zemo just moves to the next plan and does something else. That is the brilliance about the character, he adjusts to whatever the Avengers do."

Except is plan relies in hurting Stark and ONLY stark and he get the best posible way by something he didnt plan, is one thing adapting, is another to just the oportunity lie into you.

anyway, moving with mysterio:I will said the villian is better for a tv show with is love for theatric, a movie will be just to campy anyway.

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#71014: May 23rd 2017 at 5:22:23 PM

Jess might be a bit too high-powered for Netflix's gritty, street-level atmosphere. She's a Flying Brick who shoots energy blasts and has mind-control pheremones.

On a good day, she could probably take the entire Defenders lineup simultaneously.

Also, you'd miss out on her being a Hydra WMD and the divided loyalties therein, which is where a lot of her story comes from.

edited 23rd May '17 5:24:22 PM by TobiasDrake

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#71015: May 23rd 2017 at 5:25:01 PM

"I'm sorry, you have what?"

"I just use them tactically. It makes men super into me and women hate me."

"Oh, it's working."

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#71016: May 23rd 2017 at 5:27:37 PM

[lol]

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#71017: May 23rd 2017 at 5:27:51 PM

Hmm...Agents of SHIELD, then? On the one hand the very idea of Jessica Jones getting into a rivalry with another person named Jessica who is also a PI and slightly more adjusted is hilarious. On the other hand, it'd be gutting a character and changing them until they're barely recognizable compared to their comic counterpart.

edited 23rd May '17 5:28:18 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#71018: May 23rd 2017 at 5:30:20 PM

Iirc, thing about Spider-Woman was posted a while back. Marvel can use her, but can't use her superhero name or the costume, which given the nature of her character isn't really a problem.

Correct. As someone else said, it likely comes down to the fact that regardless of the lack of in-story connection, she was still explicitly conceived and published for the purpose of having a female version of Spider-Man.

They could just use her Alias look.

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#71019: May 23rd 2017 at 5:34:37 PM

Well shit, now I want her to use the word "bitchcakes" if she ever appears somewhere.

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#71020: May 23rd 2017 at 5:36:25 PM

Do we have a better source on that than a snapshot uploaded to Imgur from part of a Word document someone made?

edited 23rd May '17 5:36:36 PM by TobiasDrake

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#71021: May 23rd 2017 at 5:43:19 PM

It's from the Sony documents on Wikileaks from the hack. It's an excerpt because well, the actual document is quite long and there are a bunch of them. Enjoy.

edited 23rd May '17 5:50:17 PM by comicwriter

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#71022: May 23rd 2017 at 7:32:22 PM

Jessica Drew has mind-control pheromones?

Yeah, any encounter between her and Jones is going to lead her to getting beat to a bloody pulp. Trauma as superpower.

Seriously, that power doesn't stop being super creepy just because you give it to a woman.

edited 23rd May '17 7:33:26 PM by Galadriel

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#71023: May 23rd 2017 at 7:38:44 PM

I would say use the Julia Carpenter version, but Julia was turned into Pepper Potts for the cartoon and that would confuse me.tongue

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#71024: May 23rd 2017 at 7:45:03 PM

Less powerful than Purple Man, but yeah. But mind control is always creepy, so what matters is how you use it. Professor X has mind control powers too, but he uses them responsibly. It could be very creepy if he abused them— on an unrelated note, go watch Legion if you haven't already— but he doesn't. As much as anything, having that power and not being corrupted by it is a big part of what makes the character so likeable. The other half, is of course, Sir Patrick Stewart.

So how did they address the elephant pheremones in the room for the two Jessicas' meeting up in the Alias comics? Is Jessica (Drew) one of the heroes Jessica (Jones) was friends with before she was ensnared by Kilgrave?

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#71025: May 23rd 2017 at 7:47:46 PM

Like hell Professor X uses his powers responsibly.

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