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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#70976: May 22nd 2017 at 4:25:57 PM

Had to look that up, and yes, put that in there.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#70977: May 22nd 2017 at 4:44:07 PM

I agree Kraven's Last Hunt wouldn't work as Kraven's first appearance.

I can see Kraven's Last Hunt in a film after one or two appearances of Kraven as a secondary villain in one or more of the other Spider-Man films, and his earlier appearance(s) showing him increasingly frustrated at his capacity not to defeat Spider-Man. I'd also introduce Vermin (or the Lizard or some stand-in for Vermin's role in KLH) in previous movies.

What I'd do is expand the moment of the comic in which Kraven tries to make Spidey fight Vermin. I'd have the bulk of the film have Kraven running Parker through a gauntlet of the deadliest things Kraven has defeated (so a bunch of highly weird shit, mutant animals, alien animals, some actual people, maybe previous villains or characters Kraven has sedated and brought in) to prove he is a better man than him. Simultaneously to this Mary Jane searches for Peter. I'd keep Kraven's trippier moments as his subplot as he watches Spider go through his gauntlet.

Eventually Peter succumbs to one of the challenges and seemingly dies and we get the bit of Kraven being the new Spider-Man and the moment Parker is buried as the film's Darkest Hour. Mary Jane finds Peter and helps him out of his grave state and he heads for the final showdown with Kraven, but by this point Kraven has reached the same point as his comic counterpart's ("I have bested you, Spider-Man, I will never hunt again."). Lets Vermin go and commits suicide.

In the climax Spider-Man fights Vermin and successfully redeems him through his words by appealing to his humanity, proving Kraven's central thesis (that he's better than Spider-Man because he's "inhumane") wrong.

Roll credits.

Post-credits scene has Mr. Negative taking up residence at Kraven's mansion and preparing to attack Spider-Man.

edited 22nd May '17 4:45:37 PM by Gaon

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#70978: May 22nd 2017 at 5:15:01 PM

Theoretically, I think you could a Kraven's Last Hunt movie as his first (and last) movie.

But you'd need to pretty much make it entirely about Kraven and Spidey, which would necessitate dropping any other kind of subplot revolving around unrelated supporting characters.

An interesting idea for a graphic novel, maybe, but I don't think it'd work as a film.

Now, if you did something on TV, that might be different, and would give it more room to breath, but I don't see that happening.

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JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#70979: May 22nd 2017 at 6:18:25 PM

I'd like to see Ruby Thursday, mostly for sheer body horror.

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#70980: May 22nd 2017 at 6:55:13 PM

I would love to see the Clone Saga come to life. Only, you know, not bad.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#70981: May 22nd 2017 at 7:21:18 PM

[up][up]If getting Ruby Thursday means getting both the Headmen and the actual Defenders, I'd be all for it.tongue

edited 23rd May '17 4:29:32 AM by kkhohoho

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#70982: May 22nd 2017 at 8:59:38 PM

"And Zemo and Ronan (yes, I enjoyed Ronan) and Killgrave and Kingpin and Dottie Underwood and Aida and Hydra in general (which has been an excellent villain in every movie and three seasons of Ao S).."

I disagree with Zemo, sure he is sympathic but the plot kinda bend over to is plan with the airport fight, and HYDRA...no, in AOU they were just a joke to introduce Ultron and the twins and with AOS it vary a lot, Malick was the best and Whitehall was just creepy, but Garret got full goofy in end of the 1 season and Ward is.....yeah Ward.

Anyway, Im with Adric, give us Misterio!, on the other hand he seen more of a Tv villian with is tricks, also im very on the board for Scarlet spider, maybe Milles? just saying.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#70983: May 22nd 2017 at 9:02:36 PM

At least Ruby Tuesday is better off than the Decraniated. Don't look that up if you're faint of heart.

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#70984: May 22nd 2017 at 9:03:32 PM

[up] Now, he can't be that- OH, SWEET LORD ALMIGHTY!

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#70986: May 22nd 2017 at 9:06:27 PM

[up]decraniated: when you need to tell EU lovers that this verse is going to be edgier than themtongue

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#70987: May 22nd 2017 at 9:21:24 PM

They look like they have NES consoles replacing the upper halves of their heads. tongue

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#70988: May 22nd 2017 at 9:25:56 PM

Sega does what Nintendecraniated.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70990: May 23rd 2017 at 1:22:28 AM

I don't like Zemo because he is sympathetic but because he is smart. I like smart.

And he didn't plan the airport fight. Zemo's plan was way simpler, but he adjusted it constantly during the movie.

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#70991: May 23rd 2017 at 6:29:47 AM

I think I've been desensitized to freaky stuff due to the internet's bullshit. Neither Ruby Thursday nor the Decraniated elicited much reaction from me whatsoever.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#70992: May 23rd 2017 at 3:23:18 PM

[up][up]Except is plan just get into efct thanks to whole trauma Tony have in the movie and because he was in the EXACT place in the EXACT moment Zemo want it...which it happen thanks to the airport fight, without it, Zemo is toast.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70993: May 23rd 2017 at 3:44:34 PM

[up] Why? Even if the airport fight was part of the plan (which it wasn't...well, that the Avengers break apart was, but not that this particular fight would happen at this place and this way), if it doesn't happen Zemo just moves to the next plan and does something else. That is the brilliance about the character, he adjusts to whatever the Avengers do.

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#70994: May 23rd 2017 at 3:49:10 PM

Yeah, I really don't get how people imply that Zemo planned everything, or that somehow he caused every event in the movie. He was clearly adapting and adjusting every step of the way.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#70995: May 23rd 2017 at 4:13:59 PM

The whole Sokovia Accords weren't even on his agenda, they were just a convenient coincidence. He was playing the whole thing by ear. He might even have preferred all the Avengers showing up in Russia, as it could have sparked a general brawl that was more vicious that the airport one (Stark tries to kill Bucky, Rogers defends Bucky, each of them are defended by their friends, things escalate).

His plan boiled down to following up a suspicion of who killed Stark's parents (tried to get the info from Hydra guy, failed, so moved on to Bucky), getting his hands on video of the event, and using the video at an appropriate moment.

edited 23rd May '17 4:17:10 PM by Galadriel

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#70996: May 23rd 2017 at 4:17:23 PM

Come to think of it, we've never seen Mysterio in a Spider-Man movie before have we?

That could be neat.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#70997: May 23rd 2017 at 4:18:28 PM

Does Mysterio have actual magic or psychic-illusion abilities, or is it all tech and advanced stage-magic?

Regardless, I'd like to see Spidey face an opponent whose defeat requires less direct combst and more lateral thinking, so I'm in favour.

edited 23rd May '17 4:19:42 PM by Galadriel

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#70998: May 23rd 2017 at 4:19:27 PM

I think originally it was all tech work and "stage magic"? I think there's been multiple people using the identity, including the version from the Ultimate universe, so I'm not sure if that applies universally.

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Funny but not helpful
#70999: May 23rd 2017 at 4:23:32 PM

Depends on which Mysterio.

The original was just technological and chemical. Loved drugging people, our OG Mysterio.

Mysterio would be a good villain for a movie since being cinematic is basically his superpower. But I guess he wasn't seen as eventful enough compared to the Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Sandman, Green Goblin Again, Venom, the Lizard, Electro, Another Green Goblin, Shocker, Mad Tinkerer, or the Vulture.

Quentin Beck is a dude with pretty simple desires. He just wants lots of money. Or to kill a bunch of people that wronged him. Or to be heralded as the most talented and creative person in Hollywood. Or to get revenge on Spider-Man.

Still. You could get a good second movie out of Mysterio. With him doing that thing he do where he tries to make himself look like the hero by painting Spider-Man as a villain. Smear campaign with pyrotechnics and holograms. And probably stealing tons of money under cover of that.

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ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#71000: May 23rd 2017 at 4:43:54 PM

Yeah, I think Mysterio would be my preferred choice for the Spidey sequel. Effective in his evilness but his conflict with Spidey not really that personal to warrant being the final bad guy in the trilogy.

To be fair, to limit Spider-Man to have only three movies you limit which of his villains you can use. I mean, we haven't seen Kraven, Mysterio, Jackal, Hobgoblin, Carnage, Rhino (I mean, properly), Hydro-Man, Beetle (he's mostly a Spidey foe, right?), Chameleon, Black Cat (she might not qualify as a villain, though) and Scorpion.

That's why I believe that a Clone Saga adaptation (again, a non-shitty one that takes a LOT of liberties with the source material) would take a trilogy all by itself. And sadly, I don't think they might do that many Spidey movies.

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