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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#70951: May 21st 2017 at 10:43:12 PM

Just came back from watching Guardians Vol. 2 because free admission passes aren't accepted by the theater I was going to until today. REALLY strong main villain. Marvel villains are usually the weakest part of the film (even if they're still great, and them being weak in comparison to the rest of the film is apparently intentional), but the main villain of this movie was one of the best aspects of a great movie, and may be one of my favorite MCU villains. The only downside was that I already knew they would be a villain, since Ego's always been a villain in the comics. My only gripe is that I felt it was a little too exposition-heavy, especially when they were expositing about things that were already covered in Guardians 1. I think it's easily just as good as Guardians 1, albeit in different ways.

edited 21st May '17 10:44:21 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70952: May 22nd 2017 at 12:57:37 AM

I can honestly say that I have never hated a villain as much as this one.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#70953: May 22nd 2017 at 1:01:09 AM

In a good way? Because I almost agree with you there. I've seen many a loathsome villain in my time, but Guardians 2's main antagonist easily breaks the Top 5.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70954: May 22nd 2017 at 1:03:54 AM

[up] In a "I want this guy dead" and "I can't believe that he just did this!!!" way.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#70955: May 22nd 2017 at 5:37:57 AM

I honestly feel the same way, he's definitely one of the best villains of the MCU.

It helps that he's only REALLY competing with Loki, though.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70956: May 22nd 2017 at 10:57:18 AM

[up] And Zemo and Ronan (yes, I enjoyed Ronan) and Killgrave and Kingpin and Dottie Underwood and Aida and Hydra in general (which has been an excellent villain in every movie and three seasons of Ao S)...

The MCU is full of different and interesting villains. The movies have a little bit more or a hard time to stick the landing, because of the shorter running time, but can we stop the "the MCU has no good villains" narrative? It provided some of the best villains we got in the last years.

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#70957: May 22nd 2017 at 11:07:05 AM

If we're going solely by movie villains, it's lacking. The TV villains benefit from being more developed thanks to more screentime.

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J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#70958: May 22nd 2017 at 11:54:13 AM

Speaking of Villains, what are some ones you'd like to see in the MCU? Like I said in an earlier post, we'll likely get more down-to-earth villains (at least by comic book standards), so i'd like to see Mysterio (seriously, im surprised none of the movies have even tried using him), Gray Gargoyle, Ghost, The Wrecking Crew (though I dont know how you could use them to fill out a movie, maybe make them secondary henchmen or something), and Arcade (though again, im not sure if Murderworld could fill a 2 hour movie, but maybe we can just get a shorter film).

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#70959: May 22nd 2017 at 12:01:05 PM

We'd discussed this before a while back, but I'd love a Spider-Man movie loosely based off of Kraven's Last Hunt with Kraven the Hunter and Chameleon as the villains.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#70960: May 22nd 2017 at 12:04:57 PM

[up]I'm pretty sure Arcade is over with the X-Men properties, and even if he wasn't, he seems more like a TV villain. The guy they hire to mess with the Agents of SHIELD or Luke Cage.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#70962: May 22nd 2017 at 12:29:04 PM

I've said this before, but I want Hammer and Anvil. A Deep South racist and a Scary Black Man who are forced to team up and eventually become Heterosexual Life-Partners is just a goldmine of comedic potential.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70963: May 22nd 2017 at 1:17:21 PM

We need Moonstone at some point. She's great.

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#70964: May 22nd 2017 at 1:18:14 PM

I'd figure Moonstone would be in the Captain Marvel movie.

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#70965: May 22nd 2017 at 1:29:39 PM

I know I've talked about Hammer and Anvil's introductory arc before, but I've never heard anyone else talk about it, so you can imagine my surprise when I found someone else talking about it.

The story is simultaneously worse than I remember (Hulk's new friend's name being Cracka-Jack Jackson) and better than I remember (Cracka-Jack teaching Hulk how to write). Overall, it's very dated but those parts can be easily updated and fixed, and there's a genuinely great story there.

edited 22nd May '17 1:30:10 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70966: May 22nd 2017 at 1:53:37 PM

[up][up]I hope so. If it's an origin story though they'll probably use Yon-Rogg.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#70967: May 22nd 2017 at 2:32:16 PM

I believe Arcade has been both a Spidey Villain and a Xmen one.

I remember when he first fought the Xmen, Spidey cameo'ed, recognized Arcade's MO, and then tried to warn the other, only to be a few minutes too late.

It was still pretty awesome to me for how he flipped his shit and completely wrecked the Phone Booth his was in at the time.

Though I do believe Arcade's probably better known for his fights with the Xmen than with Spiderman.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#70968: May 22nd 2017 at 2:45:36 PM

Marvel has a lot of characters who started one place and gravitated to another, or even are known for gravitating all the time. Imo, it's one of the big differences between them and DC (who tends more towards Superman Stays Out of Gotham, typically has characters cross only in self contained ways or in big events, and only has a small handful of characters who do it often).

It's something I wish the films would do more, but I suppose that's too expensive what with paying actors - even lesser paid ones - for a denser amount of appearances. Still, it's the reason why whoever ends up with the Fantastic Four rights, if they're interested in doing the character right, should cast a lesser known, less expensive actor as DOOM, rather than a big name they can't get a lot of use out of.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#70969: May 22nd 2017 at 2:48:34 PM

Indeed. Look at the Kingpin. Started as a Spidey Villain, but then he met that damned life wrecker Matt Murdock.

Sabertooth was an Iron Fist enemy at first.

And then there was the massive Rogues Gallery upheaval in...I guess the 70 or 80's or something.

Rhino and Sandman were fighting the Hulk and the Fantastic Four...wow. That's about it. Never mind.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#70970: May 22nd 2017 at 2:56:51 PM

Sandman was a member of the Avengers for a while, even.

I really like Sandman. If Marvel and Sony solve this whole "two separate Spider-Man franchises" thing, I'd really like to see him in the MCU.

edited 22nd May '17 2:57:25 PM by KnownUnknown

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#70971: May 22nd 2017 at 4:05:15 PM

I don't know how a Kraven's Last Hunt would work as a movie.

If its Kraven's first appearance then you don't get that 'oh shit he's serious this time'

You also get a story where Spider-Man spends large swathes of time buried alive and so does not appear very much in this Spider-Man story.

But if you promise me the Kra-Van I'll forget all of these objections and instantly be on board.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#70972: May 22nd 2017 at 4:10:29 PM

Hence why I said "loosely based". If I were making it I'd have Kraven and Chameleon be on the hunt for someone they deem the "most dangerous game". They'd be less serious and more threatening, wanting to hunt Spidey for the thrill and glory of the hunt. And I really want Chamelon involved because I'm interested in the idea of Kraven and his brother working together.

And as somebody (can't remember if it was me or not) said, get Keanu Reeves as Chameleon.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70973: May 22nd 2017 at 4:13:25 PM

Kraven's Last Hunt wouldn't be interesting for his first film appearance.

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#70974: May 22nd 2017 at 4:16:01 PM

Honestly, thinking it over, it would probably be so loose that it'd barely be an adaptation. Maybe incorporate some moments from it would be fine, but the story would have to be largely original.

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#70975: May 22nd 2017 at 4:25:33 PM

Okay but what about the Kra-Van?

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