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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Even if she were a bad character (and I'm not saying she is, I haven't read anything with her in it), I really don't like that sort of spiteful killing off of characters. I think it's better to try to improve the character or at worst just quietly retire them. It just seems petty to kill off characters simply because you don't like them.
And calling her a Mary Sue is just one of those things that has lost all legitimacy. People call everyone a Mary Sue if they don't like them. Rey from Star Wars, Mabel from Gravity Falls, Korra from Legend of Korra, god knows how many comic book and anime characters, etc. The term has lost any meaning it ever had.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Riri Williams is a super smart 15-year-old girl who invented her own crude Iron Man suit, but still needed help getting an AI and then ended up becoming a hero while Tony Stark was in a coma. A hero that has needed quite a bit of help, too (both from Tony's AI and from Pepper Potts). Hell, at the same time Riri was appearing, so was Nadia Pym, a super-smart teenage girl who made her own Pym Particles, invented her own Wasp costume, and ended up becoming a hero while her father (Hank Pym) was "dead." And she's not a Mary Sue either! Because both are well written characters with believable motivations and backstories.
Pretty much (Nadia is even Russian for "Hope"), except her mother isn't Janet van Dyne (instead, her mother was Hank's first wife, who had been kidnapped by the Russians — look it was the '60s, okay). Also, she's younger than the MCU Hope and is much more of a Genki Girl.
You should definitely read The Unstoppable Wasp. It's so very awesome.
edited 20th May '17 11:50:18 AM by alliterator
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So a comic version of MCU Hope, who is a heroic version of the MC 2 Red Queen.
Huh. Comics have a strange flow.
edited 20th May '17 12:02:38 PM by Beatman1
Same with Black Nick.
edited 20th May '17 12:04:31 PM by RAlexa21th
Continue writing our story of peace.As an outsider...Riri doesn't sound particularly interesting. I mean Kamala being a fangirl and struggling with cultural identity and having to learn to just be herself instead of trying to be her idol, all this sounds really interesting. Riri sounds like a less interesting version of Ironman (not that the comic version of Ironman even is that interesting, most of the stuff which made the character compelling came from the MCU).
But in terms of the MCU itself: We already had Ironman and War machine. And falcon. I am actually not in a hurry to see another hero flying around in some sort of body armour. And I am totally okay with watching the heroes which have been newly introduced during this phase for a while. If they get back the Fantastic 4, I want to see them and Silver Surfer. If they really have gotten their hands on Namor, I look forward to seeing him...perhaps not even as an hero but as an antagonist first. If the rights are not too entangled, I think the Savage Land are a property they should mine as soon as possible. Riri is pretty much on the bottom of my list of characters I am interested to see.
Which is an adaptation of the comics. Seriously, they didn't just pull most of Tony's characterization from thin air. The only thing the movies invented was him being Ultron's creator instead of Hank Pym.
@The Riri thing
Wait, how is she not a Mary Sue?
- She reversed engineered an Iron-Man suit, somehow hacking through Stark Enterprises private files and then building an suit that's vastly superior than Tony's first suit.
- She's depicted as being smarter than Tony in almost everyway.
- She has the exact same personality as Tony. Witty, impulsive, obssesive.
- She begins her story being so good at everything that she somehow steals Iron-Man technology and not only is Tony cool with it (yeah, so much for character consistency), but he also mentors her and then throws her into her very own hero adventure without her struggling at all.
So, how's she not a Mary Sue again?
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Kamala is the best, dude. She's the greatest of them all.
edited 20th May '17 1:03:50 PM by ExplosiveLion
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That's not true, at all. Tony's snarky, motormouthed and more comedic portrayal was generally not how he was written prior to the movie. Tony Stark in the comics was usually depicted as a much more serious, straight-laced businessman who responsibly runs his company.
The Bunny-Ears Lawyer stuff was mostly Downey, which funny enough made it back into the comics.
All black superheroes look alike, eh?
edited 20th May '17 1:02:59 PM by comicwriter
No, he really hasn't. He might have made jokes, but not really any more than other heroes. Even if you watch the old 90's cartoon, he was much more serious and business oriented. His company was everything to him. He was not the type of dude to be goofing around and telling Pepper to run it for him because he finds Stark Industries boring. That portrayal largely originated in the movies.
Much like Star-Lord, who was also a more serious character before Chris Pratt came along and fucking rocked that part.
edited 20th May '17 1:05:53 PM by comicwriter
Nope
. And there's Jarvis being an A.I. instead of a tubby British guy.
But regardless saying RDJ just made him more comedic is kind of like saying the engine just makes the car run. It's a major part of what made the character appealing to so many viewers.
Honestly, if you call her a Mary Sue, you'd have to call so many others Mary Sues, too.
edited 20th May '17 1:21:14 PM by alliterator
I get the sense that some of the people talking about Riri Williams haven't actually sat down and read through her introductory comics, since there seems to be disagreements about extremely fundamental aspects of her character.
I haven't so I won't comment on her character, but speaking generally I'll echo the sentiment that wanting a character killed off solely because you don't like them (even if you have sound reasons for doing so) is a rather horrifying stance to take.
edited 20th May '17 2:00:15 PM by Falrinn

Sometimes I want my favorite characters to die because I think it'd make a good story.
edited 20th May '17 11:12:57 AM by RAlexa21th
Continue writing our story of peace.