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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#70801: May 19th 2017 at 5:40:31 PM

I was sad when he inexplicably stopped being in Kamala's supporting cast

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70802: May 19th 2017 at 6:08:41 PM

Looks like we're getting the classic theme in Homecoming.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#70803: May 19th 2017 at 7:27:47 PM

[up]

...Are they trying to epic up the classic theme?

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#70804: May 19th 2017 at 9:36:33 PM

So I don't know if this belongs here or not: http://ew.com/movies/2017/05/19/tom-hardy-venom-spider-man-spinoff/

Tom Hardy is playing Venom in the upcoming Sony non-MCU movie.

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#70805: May 19th 2017 at 9:45:58 PM

I maintain that if they want to make money hand over fist, it's really simple:

Call Emma Stone. Announce that while Marvel is doing Peter, they're rebooting their own version of the Spider-universe from a new angle. Set a release date for Spider-Gwen. Print money.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#70806: May 19th 2017 at 10:44:15 PM

The days of actors being box office draws are pretty much over.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70807: May 20th 2017 at 1:34:28 AM

But characters are a draw and everyone loved her version of Gwen Stacy...

Anyway, Spiderman theme...LOVELOVELOVE that they put it in the soundtrack. And why not an epic version of it? It is one of the best if the THE best Superhero themes.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70808: May 20th 2017 at 4:44:37 AM

[up][up]Stone's performance as Gwen, however was very well received and a lot of people liked it.

Even people who don't like the reboot movies will often list Gwen as one of the saving graces.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#70809: May 20th 2017 at 5:04:15 AM

It weirdly occurred to me the other day that if you want to make a stand alone Venom movie you should reference what might be the best Venom story ever told

Except that would be the original Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle run

The dynamic between Khaji Da and Jaime is adjacent to what you want to aim for in a heroic Venom spinoff

You have an alien suit that doesn't understand why you can't just murder your problems away. And you have the host that's stuck trying to aim that energy in a productive direction. Like killing that monster Spider-Man!

edited 20th May '17 5:05:06 AM by Bocaj

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#70810: May 20th 2017 at 5:10:28 AM

It's not like we haven't seen comic book adaptations become successful while taking lots of liberties with the source material. See Men In Black and The Mask.

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#70811: May 20th 2017 at 7:33:09 AM

@Riri Williams

I don't find her compelling at all. She's Tony, only black, female, younger and smarter than him. She's a Mary Sue with no personality of her own at all.

Kamala, on the other hand, not only is compelling, but is a charming, Adorkable girl that's, let's be honest, THE Ascended Fangirl.

edited 20th May '17 7:42:41 AM by ExplosiveLion

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70812: May 20th 2017 at 8:13:44 AM

[up][up]Of course. But Sony's had a very mixed track record as of late. And the R-rating makes me think they're just rushing something to theaters to cash in on the success of Logan and Deadpool.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#70813: May 20th 2017 at 8:19:57 AM

They've given us three good superhero movies out of five. And even Spider-Man 3 and ASM 2 aren't that bad.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#70814: May 20th 2017 at 8:37:27 AM

[up][up][up]Really? I haven't read any of her comics, but from what I've seen she seems pretty cool, and very unlike Tony in personality.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70815: May 20th 2017 at 8:41:00 AM

[up][up]And a major contributing factor to the last one sucking and taking the franchise was the desire to rush out a cinematic universe rather than just trying to tell a good story.

This doesn't fill me with any confidence they've learned from their mistakes.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#70816: May 20th 2017 at 8:44:54 AM

[up]I see your point but I'll try to give them the benefit of the doubt nonetheless. it could be good, it could be bad. Opening night will tell.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#70817: May 20th 2017 at 10:52:51 AM

I'm hoping Riri gets killed off in the shakeup while Kamala being introduced as a fan of Carol in Captain Marvel would honestly be less surprising than her absence.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#70818: May 20th 2017 at 10:54:48 AM

That sounds horrifying...

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#70819: May 20th 2017 at 10:59:15 AM

[up]Kamala being introduced in Captain Marvel? Wasn't her entire origin somewhat based on her being a fan of Carol's? Her costume is the Ms. Marvel one with a conservative bent, reflecting a real life swimsuit conservative Muslims wear (I don't know the name off the top of my head).

As for Riri, yeah, the Marvel Universe doesn't need Mary Sue's. It'll be like that time they killed off all of Liefeld's one note filler characters like Sumo.

edited 20th May '17 11:00:20 AM by Beatman1

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70820: May 20th 2017 at 10:59:54 AM

I'm hoping Riri gets killed off in the shakeup while Kamala being introduced as a fan of Carol in Captain Marvel would honestly be less surprising than her absence.
That's silly. Wanting a character to die just because you don't like them isn't a good thing.

Plus, the only way that Riri is like Tony Stark is that she's as smart (or smarter) than him. Personality-wise and history-wise, she is vastly different.

As for Riri, yeah, the Marvel Universe doesn't need Mary Sue's. It'll be like that time they killed off all of Liefeld's one note filler characters.
1) She's not a Mary Sue. 2) Most of Liefeld's "one note" characters have already been very fleshed out by other writers — see what happened with Shatterstar in Peter David's X-Factor.

edited 20th May '17 11:01:25 AM by alliterator

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#70821: May 20th 2017 at 11:07:26 AM

The horrifying part is saying you want a character killed off because you think they're a Mary Sue. In my experience, almost every time somebody calls a character a Mary Sue is because they hate them. So yeah, I find it kind of horrifying to want a character dead because you personally don't like them.

edited 20th May '17 11:07:41 AM by AdricDePsycho

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RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#70822: May 20th 2017 at 11:08:17 AM

[up]

I find it kind of horrifying to want a character dead because you personally don't like them.

Take that GOT watchers.

edited 20th May '17 11:08:56 AM by RAlexa21th

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#70823: May 20th 2017 at 11:09:38 AM

[up]No one needs help dying on that show.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#70824: May 20th 2017 at 11:09:41 AM

I haven't watched Game of Thrones yet...

But still, that's a downright horrifying thing to say. And, like, kind of insulting to people who like the character?

edited 20th May '17 11:10:06 AM by AdricDePsycho

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#70825: May 20th 2017 at 11:09:46 AM

Even if I agreed that she were a Mary Sue (which I don't), I would never suggest killing off a character in favor of trying to make them better.

This song needs more love.

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