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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#70751: May 18th 2017 at 3:31:40 AM

Yeah, the thing with Sue is that she provides a counterpart to Reed. She's not quite as smart as Reed, but she's much more of a normal and functioning person, while being the second smartest member of the team.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#70752: May 18th 2017 at 3:44:36 AM

I feel like not making Sue into a hard scientist runs into the Unfortunate Implications of women not being able to succeed in those fields. Besides, I like the idea that a love of the sciences could be something Sue and Reed share, actually share— make it into a character beat, where she's one of the few people who can keep up with Reed on any level, and thus the one who can keep him somewhat tethered to this reality. The one who can funnel his blue-skying stream-of-consciousness into something more practical, maybe.

If Sue isn't quite the supergenius that Reed Richards is, being pretty much the smartest person on Earth-616 is pretty much Reed's whole deal. Sue makes up for it by virtue of having one of the strongest, most versatile powersets, once she realizes it. I'd like to see them highlight that, and I don't mean just with fight scenes. The Four are explorers and builders, and powerful telekinesis and mental constructs can do a lot more than just letting her fly around squishing bad guys.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70753: May 18th 2017 at 3:56:01 AM

To me, turning her into a scientist is what creates Unfortunate Implications first place, because than you run always in the problem that no matter how good she is, Reed is always the smarter one, thus suggesting that woman can be in science but they always need some guy who hold their hand...exactly the same trap they fell into with Jane, and she was even allowed to be at least theoretically the smarter one (and she still needed Doctor Selvig to back her up). I rather have her being one of the best in a field which has little to do with what Reed does, and being one of the best in it. Especially since it would show that science isn't the end to all things. Also, remember Doctor Jackson? He was portrayed as an exceptionally smart guy even though he WASN'T the technical expert of the team.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#70754: May 18th 2017 at 4:06:30 AM

So don't make Reed the smartest then. Or make them equal in intellect

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#70755: May 18th 2017 at 4:10:24 AM

There's implications either way. If they wanted to have Sue be entirely Reed's equal in intelligence and scientific prowess, I wouldn't mind that at all, for instance. They could further link it to their powers, too— Reed is curious, flexible, and creative, but maybe Sue's the one with the laser focus and and impeccable, diamond-hard scientific rigour? Science can be beautifully collaborative, and that'd be nice to see. I feel like if any team should be all about the wonders of science, it's the Fantastic Four.

I don't mind Sue having other fields of expertise outside of hard science that Reed lacks (and vice versa), but I'm hesitant to remove her science background entirely.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#70756: May 18th 2017 at 4:41:14 AM

low quality images from the Inhumans trailer.[1]

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#70757: May 18th 2017 at 5:57:09 AM

Sue as an anthropologist would be cool

I never thought of that before

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70758: May 18th 2017 at 6:26:52 AM

Reed can be a physicist and engineer while Sue can be a biologist or doctor.
"Fitz." "Simmons. I'm engineering, she's biochem." I THINK WE FOUND OUR REED AND SUE, PEOPLE!

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#70759: May 18th 2017 at 6:32:19 AM

So we can expect them to get super powers in season 5?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70760: May 18th 2017 at 6:51:29 AM

If they turn her into an anthropologist they can introduce her in a Black Panther movie as some sort of cultural expert working with Everet Ross.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#70761: May 18th 2017 at 10:43:43 AM

If the MCU ever gets the FF rights, the obvious way to introduce them is to replace the U.S. vs. U.S.S.R. space race from their original origin with an Earth vs. Aliens space race, i.e. getting humanity's spacefaring abilities up-to-snuff before the next alien invasion happens, so that Earth can play offense as well as defense.

The villains could then be the Skrulls, whose scouting ship crashed at Roswell in 1947, destroying their ship's engines and killing the members of their crew who would know how to rebuild it. With no way to get home, they've spent the last 70 years using their shapeshifting abilities to infiltrate various government and scientific organizations to push forward technologies that might lead to faster-than-light travel, so that they can leave Earth, contact the Skrull Empire, and tell them about this new planet that's ripe for invasion. The Four would naturally be the first humans to get a faster-than-light drive working, causing their transformations and getting them involved with the Skrull plot.

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#70762: May 18th 2017 at 10:53:18 AM

[up]You say obvious, I say brilliant. Seriously, I really, REALLY want to see that now; that sounds perfect.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#70764: May 18th 2017 at 1:06:42 PM

I like the idea in theory, but how do we make it Tony Stark's fault?

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#70766: May 18th 2017 at 1:10:33 PM
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70767: May 18th 2017 at 1:24:20 PM

You know, I just realized that while the FF are with Fox, Marvel technically owns the rights to their evil counterparts, the U-Foes.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#70768: May 18th 2017 at 3:17:02 PM

Its really funny that despite being blatant evil versions of the Four, the U-Foes aren't and never have been Fantastic Four characters.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#70769: May 18th 2017 at 3:34:54 PM

A thought. I'm not one to do MCU versus DCU comparisons, and to the extent I do I'm typically on the MCU side.

However, I saw the pictures of Mera from the Aquaman movie and I think that's basically what Medusa of the Inhumans should look like- just with slightly longer hair and less... uh... wet.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#70770: May 18th 2017 at 3:42:20 PM

The DCEU side does have some pretty great costumes. They might be lit a little darkly for my taste, but even then, the saturated colours do stand out and the bold, simple deco lines of each one look about as good as any RL superhero costume ever has. Now if only their CG elements looked as good as their practical ones. I'm looking at you, Cyborg and Doomsday.

Ping_Pong_Along Since: May, 2017
#70771: May 18th 2017 at 4:58:58 PM

Something I've been thinking about lately that I'd like to hear other people's ideas for. What would you like to see out of the MCU in the future? I think I saw someone mention TV movies for Agent Carter, which sounds fun.

Some ideas I had:

  • An anthology film. This would be a great way to get a taste of a bunch of different characters that aren't popular enough for film, but are too costly for TV, like Ghost Rider and Howard the Duck, or too big a name for TV, but not a big enough character for their own movie, like Hawkeye and Nick Fury. I'd love to include a Hank Pym Ant-Man section from the 70's, that'd be fun. It could really delve into just how vast the MCU is and celebrate it. Have some character from the shows turn up. Make it fun. Maybe some unlikely team ups.

  • I'd like for the universe to have more of a connective tissue running through it. The news segments they produced for their marketing campaign is something I'd like to see more of. I want Trish Talk to be a podcast. My first thought was she would mostly be reacting to things in the world, but I think there's more that could be done with this idea.

I'm sure I'll think of some more things in the future. Anyone else have any ideas for things you'd like to see added or changed in the MCU?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#70772: May 18th 2017 at 5:50:50 PM

I'd love to see a Lola Run kind of movie where there's a ton of little plots with lots of characters going on, all interweaving into one main sequence of events and conclusion.

But for just stuff I want out of MCU in the next few years... more headliners, and more embracing their comicbook-ness the way Guardians 2 did and Ragnarok seems to be doing. Maybe another ensemble movie that's not Avengers, showing that there are more groups and lots more kinds of heroes springing up in the world. In general, more universe building and fleshing out - Phase 2 actually didn't have a lot of that, and more altered what we already had.

edited 18th May '17 5:52:46 PM by KnownUnknown

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70773: May 18th 2017 at 6:36:56 PM

An anthology film. This would be a great way to get a taste of a bunch of different characters that aren't popular enough for film, but are too costly for TV, like Ghost Rider and Howard the Duck
They've already had Ghost Rider on Agents of SHIELD and it looked awesome. They could easily do an eight or nine episode series of GR (or, my suggestion, Midnight Sons).

or too big a name for TV, but not a big enough character for their own movie, like Hawkeye and Nick Fury.
I think by now they've shown that they don't think there are names "not big enough" for movies. It's just a matter of finding the right approach.

But I would love a movie that is about Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne in the '60s, although the special effects might be massive just for the anti-aging.

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#70774: May 18th 2017 at 6:50:36 PM

  • More diversity in the movies' tone. I like the brand of humour they present (particularly in Civil War, which it was there but subdued enough). I'd like a slightly more serious take (like the Netflix shows) or, if the character allows it, to just go nuts and go absolutely fuckin' silly about it. Smarter movies would do that too; I was slightly disappointed with Doctor Strange because all the stuff with the Ancient One pointed this movie to be a very philosophical, personal take on the character, exploring all the ideology he presents, which in turn would make for my personal fantasy of the movies exploring Doctor Strange's character, shaping him up to be the leader of the Avengers in the future.
  • Kamala Khan. I'm not a fan of the whole PC race/sex/whatever-lifting a character or hero identity just for the sake of it (I'm looking at you, Riri Williams), but I think Kamala is, by far, the most interesting character that doesn't yet have a movie. I want her in.

edited 18th May '17 6:51:16 PM by ExplosiveLion

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#70775: May 18th 2017 at 9:18:05 PM

[up]Riri's a new character, just like Kamala. This is actually the first time I've heard a negative opinion of her, as a character, after her comics started getting released.

On things I want: I know it might not be the most relevant but I want a Spider-Man anime, like how Iron Man, Blade, Wolverine, and the X-Men got anime adaptations, where Peter Parker goes to Japan and teams up with Takuya Yamashiro, the Japanese Spider-Man.

edited 18th May '17 9:18:42 PM by PushoverMediaCritic


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