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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
No, I really don't. He feels barely anything like Ward aside from him being played by Brett Dalton. Ward wasn't the leading type, you knew he was deep down a pathetic wretch. Hive felt exactly like a leader should, and had the power and menace to back himself up.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Yes, but would you say Hive was in any way ineffectual like Ward was? Ward suffered massive Villain Decay and his motives, as bare bones as they were, just degraded until he died. Hive at least had power and sway to him. Seeing Malick descend into being his lackey showed you just how much power Hive had over everything.
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Hive is not a leader, not matter how much he talk about it, after all is powers mange any leadership pointless since he pretty much brainwash everyone around him or just threat the rest to "eat him", he can inspired people but lead? it hard to said when your follower are pretty much slaves.
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meh, Brad was fine as Hive and he clearly try is best to portray the character, is the writing what it sore me to it, Ward always feel a waste of a character who outlive is big twist(being a hydra agent) back in season 1 and get shitter since he stumble more and more, focusing more in hurting others than actually defeating him, so when he becomes Hive, one of is first acts is...eating Malick daughter to cause him pain,
...Yeah, no.
edited 17th May '17 10:18:00 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"So Hive isn't a "leader" because he brainwashes people to follow him...
That still doesn't make much sense to me. Like, I'm trying to understand this but it doesn't make that much sense. Yeah, him killing Malick's daughter was bad. That wasn't even one of the first things he did, everything else before that was still awesome.
edited 17th May '17 10:21:02 PM by AdricDePsycho
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Part of the problem was that as much overt power as Hive had, it was mostly relegated to being just offscreen, both to amp up the mystery...and also presumably to save money on special effects. The show always felt to me like it ran into a hard budget cap in the latter half of Season 3, not just with Hive but with the Inhumans as well. I suppose I lost my immersion, and a guy who's basically supposed to be god needs the audience to believe in him, if no one else.
Apocalypse had the same problem for me. It could be I'm just not very enthusiastic about 'Worship me as a god'-type characters.
I think unknowing is saying that if the writing and acting aren't convincing you that Hive is a god, then the other actors' performances and behaviour around him still could. But they're all brainwashed, so we don't get the in-universe confirmation that it's his personality they respond to. You can definitely read it that way, but it's more ambiguous.
edited 17th May '17 10:40:24 PM by Unsung
I dunno, I thought they managed to make a little bit of it work. Hive killing and consuming those people to heal himself was largely off screen, but still scary as hell. You didn't see him actually consume them, but you saw the after effects and it was horrifying. I think I remember screaming at the TV when it happened.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Those first couple of episodes with Hive were actually pretty good, I'll grant you. But the longer the show spent with him, the more generic he felt to me. And he didn't have to— I think his squid face and Jasmine-lite eating habits could've made for a pretty interesting villain. I just wish they'd leaned harder on the creep factor. Having him feign benevolence (or earnestly portray a benevolence that is ultimately false) put him too close to Jiaying for my liking. I would've liked to have seen this dark god be more of a dark god. Really throw his toys around, be the monster.
edited 17th May '17 10:32:47 PM by Unsung
See, I kind of liked how they presented him as being genuine in thinking his warped beliefs were for good, though admittedly it does skew a little bit similar to Jiaying. That entire last scene with him and Lincoln right before they both die was great, Jesus imagery and all. Though I will grant you I would've liked to see him be a bit more malicious than what we saw. They threw some shades of it here and there (A lot of his abuse towards Daisy, toying Simmons with his memory of that astronaut guy, his reaction to the mutated primitive humans, etc), but I guess I can kinda see where you're coming from on that. I'd still hardly call Hive similar to Ward.
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Kinda, I mean hive use is power to make people follow him which for me is "cheating" since it dosent really show you are a leader since he have a magic switch to make it happen, compared Hive with Garret who manage to get the loyalty of Rainia, Quinn,Ward and others by just trickery and charm alone, THAT is a leader, abusive as hell but a leader in the end, Hive just hax everyone.
And My point is that Hive is not just a villain, he is a SUPER villain, closer to Ultron,Loki and others since he is world threat and was built up as such: he was the reason a whole civilization end, he was god like figure to Hydra(and the reason it exist in the first place) and pretty much a huge deal and the result...yeah.
That is why him eating Malick daughter bother me, it feel something Ward would do since kick the dog was is only trick so far and other things like getting is ass kick by Lash(who get killed by sneak attack) falling into a trap, THEM being freeze make him far less threatening that it should which make him look like ward: and ineffectual guy who is outclass by everyone around.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
in retrospect, Maybe I compared the two because I never feel they deliver what it need to be, Ward was forever stuck in the "Im a traitor" from season 1 when the cast already move from that and Hive just feel out of place since he is a supervillain(being apocalipsis expy an all) so for me both disappoint me since they never live to the hype they built up on the show.
It's supposed to be ambiguous, I'd say. Hive doesn't generally act much like Ward, but a lot of Ward's surface personality was a lie as well. So any little tic that reminds us of Ward— eating Malick's daughter serves no purpose but to be cruel, really, and that's Ward's pettiness in spades— that takes on some added meaning. Which is as intended. That baggage is half the reason to have Hive possess Ward's body in the first place.
That final moment with Lincoln and Hive together goes a long way to making me like both characters more than I had in the episodes leading up to it.
edited 17th May '17 11:04:56 PM by Unsung
Yeah, there was moment when it show some of ward personality "Bleeds" on him, is treatment of sky(also, im on the opinion that Hive and Daisy was supposed to mirror Garret and Ward in some levels), it dosent help that after he fall into that trap he start forgetting he is alien for moments.
and....no, that moment with Hive and Lincoln feel so....weird to me, it feel like try to gain sympathy have saying "I just want to do good things" to lincoln feel like bland attempt to make him likable moment after he dies, also seen those two floating in the space was just too narm for me, I was laughing it how goofy it was.
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I suposed is more a thing with me, It was too damn silly for me seen floating like they were stoned in space.
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well, more one person and alien parasite with vaguely define personality, but who the hell is counting
edited 17th May '17 11:19:53 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I think that Hive was f.. terrifying - I mean this guy melted people! - and very different from Ward. Ward was in a constant loop of being wrong genre savvy from the moment his true nature was revealed. Hive didn't care about that, he had his plan and worked on it. Even what he did to Malick wasn't really about revenge, it was about power.
Hive have a MASSIVE savior and messiah complex, believing himself to be a rebel who fight injustice and seen everyone who disagree as wrong or ignoring the suffering he have cause, and killing Malick daughter is nothing but pettiness since he already have power he need at that moment, it was just a dick move to hurt Malick.
they have some thematic similarity between the two, which was a reason to put Hive in ward body in the first place: both truly believe themselves to be the good guys, both shrug what they do and they have a tendency to kick the dog for not particular reason.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Someone mentioned last page that Sue shouldn't be a scientist because Reed is also one, which I disagree with. Just make Reed not an Omnidisciplinary Scientist, and make Sue be brilliant in a field Reed is bad at.
That was me and I have a good reason for it: Making Sue a scientist feels too much like shaping her to suit Reed. At least if you put her into physics/chemistry/engineering. How about making her an anthropologist? That would be useful skill when they encounter alien cultures while exploring, plus, in this job you are supposed to stay as invisible as possible during your observations. Which would be a better explanation for her newfound abilities than "she is shy".
Every member of the team should have distinct abilities and I don't think what they did with Sue in the last movies cut it. Like, at all.
edited 18th May '17 3:09:51 AM by Swanpride

get it now?
edited 17th May '17 9:59:39 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"