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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#70701: May 17th 2017 at 9:56:51 AM

And I don't forget that Hive killed Malick's daughter. It was another blunder in Season 3 that I didn't like despite Malick's arc for the most part being very strong.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#70702: May 17th 2017 at 10:29:02 AM

So, did anyone see MovieBob's videos on how he would establish the Fantastic 4 in the MCU?

Because it's kind of genius. [tup][awesome]

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#70703: May 17th 2017 at 10:30:44 AM

Didn't know he made one. Care to link it here?

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#70704: May 17th 2017 at 10:45:31 AM

I don't get why everyone likes Cottonmouth so much. He seemed like a retread of Wilson Fisk, except completely unthreatening. Every plan he comes up with goes down the toilet, he's constantly scrabbling for cash just to keep other crime lords from getting mad at him, and he can't actually do anything to hurt or injure Luke.

He might have worked as an Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain, but not as the character all the conflict during the first half of the series is based around.

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#70705: May 17th 2017 at 10:54:02 AM

Cottonmouth is somebody who wishes he was Wilson Fisk but is ultimately a small fish in a humongous pond.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#70706: May 17th 2017 at 11:02:09 AM

[up][up]Those are exactly the reasons why everyone likes Cottonmouth so much.

edited 17th May '17 11:02:43 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#70707: May 17th 2017 at 11:02:59 AM

People liked Cottonmouth because he was interesting and entirely different from Fisk. The whole dynamic of him being a man who never wanted to be a criminal but was more or less forced into it, and lives at war with himself because all he ever wanted be was a musician. Fisk is a guy who became a criminal mastermind out of his own volition because of his ambition to make Hell's Kitchen a better place (in his own perspective).

Cottonmouth was also highly honorable and tries to have a code of honor, much unlike Fisk who's The Unfettered.

The fact he didn't have a succeed rate doesn't really matter, particularly when it comes to Luke Cage. Shades and Diamondback's rate of success is directly proportional to how much the writer is bending himself backwards to give them a fighting chance.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#70708: May 17th 2017 at 11:21:11 AM

Since I see some people expressing confusion about enjoying Diamondback and the second half of Luke Cage despite acknowledging its flaws, I feel the need to point out that it's perfectly normal to recognize that something is "bad" yet enjoy it anyway because it appeals to personal taste.

Like, I know that Daredevil Season 2's second half is considered the worst thing in Marvel's Netflix pretty much, and recognize that the plot becomes an incoherent mess with a bland villain, but I still enjoyed it because I liked the fights. It's as simple as that. I enjoyed Diamondback as a hammy comic book villain too even though he clashed with the first half of Luke Cage's tone, because he was entertaining.

edited 17th May '17 11:22:01 AM by Anomalocaris20

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70709: May 17th 2017 at 11:31:26 AM

The Netflix shows are also a little bit about personal taste.

Concerning Moviebob's pitch: It think it was terrible because it falls in basically the same trap all the other Fantastic 4 movies fell into by making it all about personal identity and defeating some kind of villain. That is not what the franchise is about. It is about a family of explorers, so any movie about them should be about them being a family exploring preferably different realms (because if we put Latveria into a different realm, we can actually get away with Doctor Dooms whole backstory while otherwise the portrayal of his home is actually quite insulting to eastern European countries). And I don't think that it has to be a 1960s style family, in fact I actually think that exploring how a modern patchwork family works would be the most important update one can make for the Fantastic 4. Just....just take a close look at the Incredibles and replace Syndrome with some sort of exploring mission.

Also, this is kind of a random demand, but if they ever redo the Fantastic 4, I don't want Sue to be a scientist. I want her to have a career entirely independent from Reed...perhaps as public relation manager?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#70710: May 17th 2017 at 11:33:36 AM

The FF have done plenty of stories about personal identity. They were even the first superheroes to do that

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70712: May 17th 2017 at 11:39:38 AM

I like the second half of Luke Cage and Diamondback, and I don't see them as bad like most people here do.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70713: May 17th 2017 at 12:59:13 PM

Regarding a Fantastic Four movie: this is what I think about it. And this is how I think it should open. Of course, it won't, because of the real reason the FF movies suck.

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#70714: May 17th 2017 at 2:23:09 PM

Heh. I was digging through the Agent Carter thread, and looking at everyone's reactions to the second season. Can't believe I thought the second season was better than the first. Like, I guess at the time it felt like it, but in retrospect it just felt anticlimactic, too focused on setting up other things that they never got to do because of cancellation, and it didn't have as much memorable stuff as in Season 1. Season 1's climax was golden. Season 2's...not so much.

I really need to rewatch both seasons, come to think of it.

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Ping_Pong_Along Since: May, 2017
#70715: May 17th 2017 at 2:53:05 PM

[up]Yeah, season 1 was way better than season 2. Peggy's struggle to accomplish what needed to be done, despite the rampant sexism of the time was the best part of season 1. Then for season 2, they go to California and all of that is dropped. Not that it HAD to retread that, but there was nothing that really replaced that, which was super weird because she was in an interracial relationship in the 1940's. That would have been really interesting to explore.

As for Mariah and the comparison to Fisk, I feel that there's a ton of differences between the two. I'd put her closer to Michael Corleone. They both grew up in criminal families. Both were expected to be legitimate. And both essentially inherited their empire (though the circumstances behind the passing of the torch couldn't be more different).

The relationship between her and Cottonmouth is really interesting too, with both being pigeonholed into a role that isn't really for them, which finally boils over on screen. The influence of family and the pressures of their influence play out much different for her than Fisk, who is essentially a zealot because of his trauma.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70716: May 17th 2017 at 2:59:37 PM

The main problem with season 2 was that it wasn't one concluded arc. But it also went entirely against the expectations of the audience. We all thought that they would show the founding of shield and/or a "new/fake Captain America" subplot. There was so much to mine in this particular decade, but they barely scratched at the surface of the communist scare in favour or a really wacky plot. Meanwhile they didn't allow Peggy any room to develop. The first season was all about finding security in her own worth, but the second season didn't really have an arc for her aside from the question which guy she should have a relationship with.

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#70717: May 17th 2017 at 3:03:37 PM

Season 2 felt a lot more wacky, come to think of it. Like, they toned up the goofiness and comic book zanity of it a little.

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Ping_Pong_Along Since: May, 2017
#70718: May 17th 2017 at 3:09:01 PM

[up][up]Oh yeah, I forgot about the whole Capt. America blood arc. I had really hoped that they followed up on the Zola tease from season 1, but alas. Good call about her not having an arc in season 2.

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#70719: May 17th 2017 at 3:13:27 PM

Honestly, if they do some kind of continuation of Agent Carter, they need to make sure it's at least tightly packed in some manner so that they don't do the same bullshit they did with Season 2. I remember reading through the thread and seeing Alliterator propose that they could make some short TV movies. Maybe do a TV movie to at least fill in some historical gaps and give an interesting story that would act as a neat way to wrap things up.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70720: May 17th 2017 at 3:57:48 PM

[up] I would have liked to see more time jumps between the seasons (which were only eight episodes long after all) and with each time jump the opportunity to explore a different stage of Peggy's life. For me the logical next step after season 1 would have been to show her in the very beginning of Shield trying to get respect from the people who are working for her.

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#70721: May 17th 2017 at 4:16:02 PM

Honestly, with how disconnected Season 2 was, it could've made for an alright TV movie of one of Carter's many different case files.

edited 17th May '17 4:16:08 PM by AdricDePsycho

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70722: May 17th 2017 at 4:39:39 PM

Still would have loved to see the pay-off for what was set up in season 2.

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#70723: May 17th 2017 at 4:43:53 PM

That too. Hayley Atwell's series on ABC got cancelled, so I'm kind of hoping she might be game for another Agent Carter thing, but the odds of that aren't too likely. The show didn't have nearly the same level of cult fanbase as Agents of SHIELD does.

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#70724: May 17th 2017 at 9:46:53 PM

"And I don't forget that Hive killed Malick's daughter. It was another blunder in Season 3 that I didn't like despite Malick's arc for the most part being very strong. "

And that is why I said is the same ward as always: the only trick he knew was killing other people the good guys care about, he did it with rosaline, he tried to do it with andrew(and almost sucess until the whole lash business) and he did with Malick daughter, damn he die thanks to lincom sacrifice meaning at least he take another couple with him, is ward only trick and it carry with him even a alien host.

And...sure, Hive was a better apocalipsis, but that is not a huge bar sinced it carry the same problems inherent to the character: he talked waaaay to much and try to hammer as many biblical references with him in a short time, the worst part is that at least apocalipsis really fight with the X men while Hive just stay there and lost like a chunk, I was expecting more of him and it the end it was a let down.

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#70725: May 17th 2017 at 9:48:17 PM

So you're saying Hive sucks because he killed a bunch of people and that he talked too much...

I don't think I follow any of this.

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