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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#70626: May 16th 2017 at 11:31:44 AM

So, uh, I'm on episode nine and Harold is back...and he vomited up this weird black stuff so now I feel sick.

It's swamp gunk. He got a little waterlogged.

They should have put him in a jar of uncooked rice.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#70627: May 16th 2017 at 11:47:25 AM

Why is Inhumans on Friday anyway? Do they have that little faith in it?

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#70628: May 16th 2017 at 11:49:33 AM

Starting on Episode 10 of Iron Fist. I feel like at this point I'm venting more of my frustrations towards the show itself than actually discussing the episodes.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70629: May 16th 2017 at 11:55:21 AM

[up][up]Is anyone really expecting Inhumans to really blow up big at this point? I think Ike Perlmutter is the only one who really gives a shit about that franchise.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#70630: May 16th 2017 at 11:56:36 AM

[up][up]

Starting on Episode 10 of Iron Fist. I feel like at this point I'm venting more of my frustrations towards the show itself than actually discussing the episodes.

I feel like that's an appropriate response.

edited 16th May '17 11:57:22 AM by Unsung

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#70631: May 16th 2017 at 11:58:54 AM

[up][up]I'm not expecting it to be huge but AOS wasn't either and it grew to be one of the best parts of the MCU. Inhumans could also be great although stuff like this has me a bit concerned. I hope that's not talking about Inhumans.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70632: May 16th 2017 at 12:04:22 PM

[up]Yikes Inhumans seems to be the frontrunner in the comments at least. It'd also make sense since the show in question is supposed to be very expensive.

Honestly, this Inhuman push has been such a wash that I'm wondering if they're only doing the TV show out of obligation. They tried to replace the X-Men with the Inhumans and the fans rose up and roundly told Marvel to go fuck themselves, and the movie's been cancelled. I feel like the hype train derailed already.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#70633: May 16th 2017 at 12:04:53 PM

They should've expanded Bakuto's plot while trimming down the first five boring ass episodes, and cast him with a different actor who can actually act. The Meachums, as fun as they are, honestly feel somewhat disconnected from some of the plot. Finn Jones's acting keeps going back and forth between genuinely good (most of his argument with Colleen in this episode) to bad (his interrogation of Gao in this episode sounded like a badly dubbed shonen anime). The fight scenes are horribly done for the most part. For every good idea there is, there's another bad idea there to creep up and create a weird imbalanced amalgamation. I can't even call this a good show, it's so unbalanced that it's infuriating. At one point I'd thought either Daredevil Season 2 or Agent Carter Season 2 was the worst offering from Marvel's TV side, but this? This is even worse.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#70634: May 16th 2017 at 12:09:59 PM

Is anyone really expecting Inhumans to really blow up big at this point? I think Ike Perlmutter is the only one who really gives a shit about that franchise.

No one was expecting GOTG to be so successful, despite the fact that success hasn't translated into the comics.

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#70635: May 16th 2017 at 12:20:55 PM

Oh hey, another thing Iron Fist fucked up on that they should've done: introduced Davos earlier. His first big role in the plot is in Episode 10, for god's sake. The fight scene with him and Danny fighting Bakuto's Hand faction was fun, at least.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#70636: May 16th 2017 at 12:26:15 PM

See, that's what I said. Never mind condensing the first five episodes down into three episodes, I'd say cut them down to one and give some of these later characters and plotlines room to breathe.

[up][up] I was tentatively pretty excited about GOTG, just hoping it would work. It felt like a big risk, but when it came out, it actually felt like they'd taken some big risks in terms of what they did in the movie. Inhumans is a big gamble in terms of the money put into it, but it seems like they're really hedging their bets and playing it safe. There's just been nothing to get excited about.

If you're worried people aren't going to respond to a giant dog with a tuning fork on his head— put Lockjaw on the cover of your promo materials. Dare people to dismiss your show because of it, to make fun of it, the way they might a CG raccoon standing on the shoulder of a tree monster and brandishing a gun that's bigger than he is. At least that would get people talking about it. What you can't do is hide away all the comic book elements in the most comic-book of shows. This was the problem with Iron Fist as well— refusing to embrace the source material, constantly shying away from the mystical kung fu, the bright green costume, K'un-Lun in general. You don't ease people in with properties like this.

edited 16th May '17 12:47:38 PM by Unsung

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#70637: May 16th 2017 at 12:40:24 PM

Considering Scott Buck is going from Iron Fist to Inhumans and the costumes look like shit, I think I have every reason to be apprehensive towards it being good. At best we'll probably get some good acting. The guy playing Maximus got some good buzz from the audio teaser.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70638: May 16th 2017 at 12:57:01 PM

[up][up][up][up]Marvel also didn't actively make everyone hate the Guardians on the lead up to their film either.

And guardians got a big budget and a creative director who while risky, had a unique style that made Guardians feel refreshing.

Inhumans got a tv budget and the guy who ruined Dexter as the show runner.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70639: May 16th 2017 at 1:03:26 PM

Marvel also didn't actively make everyone hate the Guardians on the lead up to their film either.
Marvel wasn't "actively" trying to get people to hate the Inhumans, just like they weren't actively trying to get people to hate the Guardians when they put Brian Michael Bendis in charge. They just had a storyline which a lot of people ended up disliking. But the books themselves were not bad at all — in fact, the current Inhumans book (Royals, Black Bolt, and Secret Warriors) are all pretty excellent.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#70640: May 16th 2017 at 1:11:49 PM

What's wrong with the Inhumans costumes?

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#70641: May 16th 2017 at 1:14:51 PM

You mean the fake as hell wig on Medusa's head, or Black Bolt not wearing his mask?

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#70642: May 16th 2017 at 1:16:45 PM

Black Bolt wearing a mask doesn't make much sense though, besides the tuning fork.

He's a king, not a secret vigilante. His name is Blackagar Boltagon, Black Bolt isn't an alias, its basically a nickname.

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#70643: May 16th 2017 at 1:16:54 PM

Black Bolt will have a mask though, according to some footage they showed (but didn't release).

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#70644: May 16th 2017 at 1:18:16 PM

[up][up][up]Not to mention looking dumb and cheap as hell in general. It looks more like cosplay than actual thing.

edited 16th May '17 1:18:49 PM by DeadlyAssassin

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#70645: May 16th 2017 at 1:20:33 PM

Black Bolt is superhero royalty. He dresses like a superhero becauses he's the king superhero.

Look, if they can take a bright blue Alabamian with a red fin on his head that glows while he whistles people to death and make that work, people will accept this. People are in the right state of mind to accept a lot out of their superhero media. Just put a little faith in your audience and the work you're adapting.

edited 16th May '17 1:22:39 PM by Unsung

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#70646: May 16th 2017 at 1:25:16 PM

Bolt's not a superhero. The Inhumans aren't a race of superheroes

edited 16th May '17 1:25:59 PM by windleopard

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#70647: May 16th 2017 at 1:27:49 PM

I understand why Lee and Kirby gave Black Bolt a mask.

I'm just saying it doesn't make much sense from an in-universe perspective, except for when he needs to use his tuning fork.

I mean, I'm gonna watch the show regardless-I have always liked the inhumans as a concept, Black Bolt in particular (he as a bunch of great moments in the comics like destroying an impenetrable force field around his city and freeing his people from brainwashing in the space of a few pages), they just don't need masks.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#70648: May 16th 2017 at 1:28:56 PM

Not in-universe, maybe, not exactly, but his name's Black Bolt and he wears tights and a mask. He's the most superhero non-superhero possible.

edited 16th May '17 1:31:58 PM by Unsung

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#70649: May 16th 2017 at 1:30:24 PM

[up][up] oh hey I read that issue recently

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#70650: May 16th 2017 at 1:30:59 PM

[up][up][up]Speaking of which, what's going to look more aesthetically pleasing; a cool, awesome mask that just happens to have a little tuning fork as part of the ensemble, or a big ol' tuning fork slapped to his noggin? I think you can see why at least in the comics he still has the freaking mask.tongue

edited 16th May '17 1:31:21 PM by kkhohoho


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