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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Thor the Dark World and Iron Man 2 are the most bleh MCU movies but they're still reasonably well-made. It's more that their creative choices went the wrong direction than anything.
The worst in the sense of actual structural problems, MCU movies are Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."You know, I really don't want to see them do the Secret Invasion storyline, but I can see someone inside lobbying for it. Because then they have a way to bring HYDRA! Cap into the mix (since Marvel doesn't seem to care that it's universally hated by everyone except neo-nazis, who use it as a source of validation) and then (if it goes badly for them, anyway) retcon it out in one scene that amounts to someone looking at the camera and saying "Never mind, it was a Skrull all along".
Those two things aren't really comparable. Civil War sold well as far as I can recall but even if it didn't and even if Secret Empire was crazy popular, the situations are too different. Making Cap a Nazi has wider implications no one will touch. Disney will not allow that movie to be made, period.
It be fitting if they did but ya know.
I'd sooner bet on us seeing something like Dark Reign in the movies, with a fake Cap, but even that is pretty improbable.
edited 10th May '17 2:56:37 PM by Nikkolas
Seriously, what is the point of Secret Empire? The only possible ways back at this point seem like either a We Shall Never Speak of This Again full-bore Cosmic Ret Con or some sort of M. Night Shyamalan-style twist ending.
edited 10th May '17 9:15:59 PM by Unsung
The positive reviews I've heard of it says it's no different than any other Axis Victory story. There are a lot of them in fiction and they can be very good and powerful.
The point is you're SUPPOSED to feel uncomfortable. There are still heroes in this who are crying out for people to wake up and realize something is wrong.
This is what a podcast I follow said anyway. Don't read Marvel.
edited 10th May '17 3:17:22 PM by Nikkolas
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That's why I don't want it adapted as a movie. Aside from the terrible premise, there's no way it ends in anything other than a Reset Button, a reveal that it was a fakeout all along, or some other little twist. I find those sorts of stories pointless, for the same reason I disliked the idea someone just suggested that maybe the conflict in Civil War was just Thanos using the Mind Stone to mess with everyone.
Meh. Even without "maybe Nazis are okay people" trappings and insensitive things the creator has said, the concept just reeks of "we're so out of ideas."
"What if Superman... wasn't super?"
"What if the Flash... wasn't fast?"
"What if Spider-Man... wasn't spider?"
There's a reason why in the Death of Captain America arc, "What if Cap was a Nazi" was used as a "Good Is Bad And Bad Is Good" hypnosis, and it took two seconds for Bucky to immediately shrug it off with a "Pffff, nah."
edited 10th May '17 4:09:59 PM by Tuckerscreator
For me that is what I call fake edgyness, trying to shock the reader with some weird situation only to go back to status quo in a way to have your cake and eat it too, also I cant see secret empire Been played since que have the reverse happeing with bucky and cap Being the enemy(in a way) in civil war, he best would be if cap is mind control and bucky have to save him
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"See, I get the point it's trying to make, but that point seems like it's already been made in Winter Soldier, without the massively unpopular move of turning Captain America himself into the mole— I don't see how anyone at the company thought that was going to be anything but controversial. If you're trying to shock people and comment on rising authoritarian sentiment in America and around the world, then maybe I can understand where the writer's coming from. But if that's the point, then it doesn't sound like it's coming through.
Any any rate. As with Secret Invasion, the current season of AOS is already doing this well enough that I'll be glad if the movies steer well clear of it.
Also, the whole "Cap is brainwashed to be a Nazi" was actually a storyline from back in the '70s, too. I know most current fans haven't read it, but Cap is literally brainwashed into being a Nazi. Sure, it only lasts one issue, but that's because we're in the era of decompressed stories now.
edited 10th May '17 4:22:54 PM by alliterator
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My various fanfics.What if Iron Man...wasn't Iron?
This summer, see Tony Stark as you've never seen him before: as a mighty lumberjack! But one day, he discovers that the wood he's been chopping is being sold under the table to overseas terrorists. For heating. With nowhere else to turn, he carves himself a mighty suit and takes the fight to them!
You haven't seen anything until you've seen a man dressed like an oak tree punch ISIS in the jaw.
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I think the general consensus is that Thor the Dark World, Ironman 2 and The Incredible Hulk are the weakest movies of the MCU (not necessarily in that order). And I think this is fair.