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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#70301: May 10th 2017 at 12:19:47 AM

He got it from Coulson in Agents of SHIELD. Probably the closest the movies are ever gonna get to acknowledging the TV shows.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70302: May 10th 2017 at 8:37:39 AM

Looks like we got another shared rights case. Spoilers for Guardians 2 (those who've already seen it probably know what I'm talking about).

edited 10th May '17 8:42:23 AM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70303: May 10th 2017 at 8:38:53 AM

Ooh, if they have the rights to the Skrulls, they can do the Secret Invasion storyline.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#70304: May 10th 2017 at 10:57:26 AM

there is also the fact thing will be pretty awkard if they adress agent of shield, I mean shield face HYDRA again who have a alien who try to fill the world with parasite and people with power are showing all over the world and the avenger....star hitting each other.

also were is Ian quinn? in the same place rising tide is, in "who gives a fuck"

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MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#70305: May 10th 2017 at 12:34:06 PM

Going back to the subject of the Mind Stone being able to subtly influence people of its own accord, and the theories that it may have been responsible for Loki's behaviour in The Avengers and Tony getting the idea to build Ultron in Ao U, I just had a thought. The Mind Stone has been in Vision's forehead ever since Age of Ultron, and he's been hanging with the rest of the Avengers for the entire time been then and Civil War.

Let that sink in. Pretty much all of the Avengers still on Earth have been exposing themselves to a semi-sentient thought controller for close to a year, and one of them is permanently attached to it.

Kind of puts Civil War on a whole new light, doesn't it?

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#70306: May 10th 2017 at 12:37:23 PM

Interesting thought, though I'd still prefer to think it was their own issues bubbling over. That's just more interesting to me than yet another mind control plot. It's enough with the mind control already, guys.

Plus I like the idea that Ultron managed to exorcise himself from the stone in gaining sentience, and that without his presence (possibly baked into the stone's housing, Loki's staff), the stone itself is more neutral.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70307: May 10th 2017 at 12:46:29 PM

Yeah it is supremely lazy to say that was all Thanos' fault. It's why I never liked the idea Loki was brainwashed. Even more so if Civil War is stated to have just been Thanos manipulating the heroes.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#70308: May 10th 2017 at 12:50:09 PM

It is worth noting that the Mind Stone in Vision's head isn't in its blue casing anymore. It may be that the Mind Stone itself is neutral, and Thanos's interference is projected through the casing. Hence why Ultron was initially depicted as a blue AI cloud.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#70309: May 10th 2017 at 12:52:23 PM

Just goes to show.

Always break important thingers out of evil staffs before using them.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70310: May 10th 2017 at 12:54:25 PM

"You idiots broke my casing! Do you have any idea how expensive that was?! Now I have to take it back to the Apple Store!"

edited 10th May '17 12:54:57 PM by comicwriter

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#70311: May 10th 2017 at 12:58:03 PM

Yeah, the Mind Stone is likely a neutral artefact.

The Scepter itself is probably designed to mess with people's heads, the Mind Stone just being its power source.

edited 10th May '17 12:59:38 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70312: May 10th 2017 at 1:08:21 PM

Do we know how strong each Stone is in the MCU? I only have the comics to compare to, and, well, the Infinity Gems can vary a lot. And the Infinity Gauntlet, which I can only assume is MCU Thanos' ultimate objective, is ridiculously hax. Like, you command he universe with it.

That's...quite a bit above MCU levels of power. Sorry, Power Levels do matter to me. If the IG is gonna be in the movies, I want it to be suitably impressive. But if it is suitably impressive, I can't think of anything short of a plot device that could stop it.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70313: May 10th 2017 at 1:09:43 PM

That is how it's stopped. Thanos made a stupid move without thinking it through and Nebula snatched the Gauntlet away from him while his body was empty.

Brute force isn't a factor.

edited 10th May '17 1:11:02 PM by comicwriter

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70314: May 10th 2017 at 1:12:18 PM

These are action movies. There will obviously be a fight, even if it is a long, fruitless one where the heroes maybe get one or two minor hopeful spots that is just Thanos fucking with them.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#70315: May 10th 2017 at 1:16:04 PM

Right, but I think you're answering your own question, there. That's how Thanos is fought, but not how he's beaten.

I don't think we have any idea how powerful the stones are at this point. It feels like the Aether/Reality Stone gets the biggest showcase of its raw power, or maybe the Eye of Agamotto/Time Stone. I'd say it probably only goes up from there.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70316: May 10th 2017 at 1:18:25 PM

Where do we see the Reality and Time Stones?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70317: May 10th 2017 at 1:18:47 PM

The entire fight is a plot device. The only reason Thanos doesn't kill them all in a split second is because he wants to impress Death. They'll probably do the same thing, just with Hela.

[up]Thor: The Dark World and Doctor Strange.

edited 10th May '17 1:19:44 PM by comicwriter

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70318: May 10th 2017 at 1:21:38 PM

Hm, I definitely need to hurry up and see Thor 2 now. Thank you.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#70319: May 10th 2017 at 1:22:07 PM

Wow. That's a rare sentence.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#70320: May 10th 2017 at 1:24:25 PM

Well, the feats we see for each stone, both in terms of their respective "ability" and their generic energy output...

  • Space Stone/Tesseract
    • Can open portals between disparate points in space when properly harnessed.
    • Can send people off to god-knows-where and then burn its way through solid metal when mishandled.
    • Outputs enough energy to power HYDRA's base.
    • Can power weapons strong enough to completely vaporize targets.
  • Reality Stone/Aether
    • Violent energy discharges when mishandled.
    • Malekith is demonstrated firing off a barrage of small energy blasts with its power at one point.
    • Can potentially destroy the entire multiverse when properly harnessed, but only with the assistance of the Convergence amplifying it like Bart Simpson's chain of megaphones.
    • Makes Malekith grow bigger, for some reason.
  • Power Stone/Orb
    • Causes moderately large explosions when mishandled.
    • Can wipe out all organic life on a planet when properly harnessed.
    • Can fire extremely powerful beams, able to vaporize a fleet of starships (or Ronan).
    • Nothing short of a demi-Celestial can handle direct contact with it for more than a few seconds, and even then not without assistance.
  • Mind Stone/Scepter
    • Can directly supplant and "replace" an individual's mental identity (the way Hawkeye describes its mind control), but only temporarily.
    • Seems to be able to emit subtle mental manipulations when harnessed by the Scepter, albeit unconfirmed.
    • Like the other stones, can output simple energy beams; Loki fires a few from the Scepter in Avengers, and Vision uses it to fire powerful rays from his forehead.
    • Captain America states that simply destroying the truck carrying it is not an option because the stone's reaction could wipe out the city.
  • Time Stone/Eye of Agamotto
    • Can reverse time, on a universal scale or upon selected objects (such as an apple). However, doing so risks fracturing spacetime.
    • Can create time loops that carry themselves out even if the wielder dies repeatedly.
    • Powerful enough to even affect Dormammu's realm.

For what its worth, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet was defeated not with a Deus ex Machina, but through his own hubris. He thought it smart to full ascend to metaphysical godhood and discard his mortal body, not realizing that doing so meant Nebula could just walk up to his body and pull the Gauntlet off.

edited 10th May '17 1:30:38 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#70321: May 10th 2017 at 1:34:01 PM

@Vision being influenced by Mind Stone: I'm pretty sure the Scepter is what was doing that with the Mind Stone as a power source. Tony was scanning the Scepter which is how he copied its programming into Ultron.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70322: May 10th 2017 at 1:37:08 PM

[up][up][up] Hey, I've always been very upfront with the fact I liked Thor 1. Easily my favorite MCU movie. Action doesn't hold up as well after seeing some DCEU stuff but the acting is still fantastic and the overall plot is very good and well-paced. I even liked the humor.

And as long as I'm finally watching MCU movies again, I might as well finally see the sequel.

[up][up] Seems like the Stones are kinda different here compared to the comics, at least in how they are utilized. I guess they won't be passed around a lot in this universe.

edited 10th May '17 1:38:10 PM by Nikkolas

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#70323: May 10th 2017 at 1:40:00 PM

I was mostly joshing ya, man. Thor: The Dark World is usually held up as probably the single weakest movie in the MCU. I think it even has the lowest Rotten Tomatoes score.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#70324: May 10th 2017 at 1:42:22 PM

They've been passed around a little bit.

The Mind Stone Scepter went from Thanos to Loki to SHIELD to Hydra to Tony Stark to Ultron to Vision's forehead.

The Space Stone Tesseract went from Asgard to some hiding place on Earth to the Red Skull to SHIELD to Loki to Asgard.

The Power Stone Orb went from some crappy ruins to Peter Quill to Gamora to Peter Quill to Gamora to jail to Peter Quill to the Collector to Gamora to Ronan to Peter Quill to Xandar.

[up] I liked Thor 2 better than Iron Man 2

edited 10th May '17 1:42:45 PM by Bocaj

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#70325: May 10th 2017 at 1:42:28 PM

[up][up]It does, but The Incredible Hulk only beats it by 1 point.

Personally, I think a lot of the hate Dark World gets is rather undeserved for the most part.

edited 10th May '17 1:42:42 PM by LordVatek

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