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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#70276: May 9th 2017 at 10:32:21 PM

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#70277: May 9th 2017 at 10:33:37 PM

"Wait, wasn't that what was supposed to be in the first place? A mix of Wanda's tampering with his mind and him being swayed by the Mind Gem? At least that's how I interpreted it.'

That's how it came across to me as well.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70278: May 9th 2017 at 10:49:09 PM

"If we ever get a "Villain Team Up" movie, it's probably going to be a Thunderbolts movie, and it's probably going to include at least a few newly adapted villains given a lack of preexisting stock to choose from."

I was gonna ask if Elektra is in the DD series and thus could be in the Thunderbolts movie. Then that spiraled into aren't there any villains from the various Marvel TV shows that could be used in a Thunderbolts movie?

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#70279: May 9th 2017 at 10:52:21 PM

Even when it's not being used to directly mind-control someone, the scepter does seem to have some kind of subtle influence on people. Sort of like a built-in cruise control feature.

Stark grabbing it to build Ultron, the Avengers all getting into a heated argument while the camera pans ominously over it, and Loki's more peculiar behavior while wielding it all kinda had shades of that to me.

Man, the MCU has a lot of different ways to fuck with people's brains.

edited 9th May '17 10:53:35 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#70280: May 9th 2017 at 10:57:41 PM

I'd say Diamondback could be fun for the Thunderbolts, given his more bombastic, over the top supervillainy. Elektra's a bit more independent, but given her antiheroic status I could kinda see it. Fisk's his own thing...if Kilgrave somehow comes back (possible but unlikely imo) maybe him.

I'd definitely be down for a Thunderbolts movie though. I'd like for Zemo to dig more into his comic roots, even if he is one of the more divergent adaptations that still works really well.

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#70281: May 9th 2017 at 11:07:46 PM

"Wait, wasn't that what was supposed to be in the first place? A mix of Wanda's tampering with his mind and him being swayed by the Mind Gem? At least that's how I interpreted it. "

Wanda was alter thanks to the mind gem, dosent it? and even them she said is letting stark fear to destroy him, the whole "the scepter did it" look like fan theory a best

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#70282: May 9th 2017 at 11:11:36 PM

Fisk is willing to play ball with Madame Gao and Owlsley, at least, until they betrayed him. He's not above working with associates toward a mutually-beneficial outcome. The biggest obstacle is his temper regarding Vanessa; the total annihilation of the Russian mob can pretty much be traced entirely back to Anatoly interrupting their date. Teaming up with Diamondback is out of the question, though; they're both people who can only function when they're on top.

Kilgrave is the too much of a wildcard to ever be part of a team, even if he weren't dead. He's basically just a hedonist with no ambitions higher than getting an alcoholic detective to reciprocate his crush.

edited 9th May '17 11:13:40 PM by Anomalocaris20

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#70283: May 9th 2017 at 11:19:04 PM

I was gonna ask if Elektra is in the DD series and thus could be in the Thunderbolts movie. Then that spiraled into aren't there any villains from the various Marvel TV shows that could be used in a Thunderbolts movie?

There are a lot more villains for team-up potential in the shows than the movies, but I get the feeling the Netflix shows are leading towards their own "bad guys all form an organization" plot down the line, and the day the Greater MCU acknowledges Agents of SHIELD or any it's characters is the day Thanos does the Macarena.

edited 9th May '17 11:19:39 PM by KnownUnknown

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#70284: May 9th 2017 at 11:19:38 PM

Majority of the enemies on the Netflix shows are usually devoted to their own personal goals to where a team up with the Thunderbolts wouldn't make much sense. Like, I guess I can buy it with Diamondback, but Fisk has his own agenda, Kilgrave is a hedonist who loves pleasuring himself, and any villain affiliated with the Hand would probably only serve the Hand.

I'm trying to think of any characters from Agents of SHIELD who'd fit, though.

edited 9th May '17 11:20:44 PM by AdricDePsycho

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70285: May 9th 2017 at 11:24:52 PM

[up] They could bring back Donnie Gill and have Blizzard join with the rest of the villains.

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#70286: May 9th 2017 at 11:28:17 PM

Wasn't he more of an anti-villain though? He didn't really seem to be as villainous as he was in the comics. And he also kinda died at the end of the second episode with him in it.

Maybe bring back Nuke from Jessica Jones (depending on what they do with him in Season 2) or Nitro from Agents of SHIELD.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#70287: May 9th 2017 at 11:28:19 PM

Depends. If they play Fisk full to the hilt as The Kingpin, he could conceivably team up with other villains left and right - especially if they adapt the "Fisk ends up in control of the Hand after they fall apart" thing.

Agents of SHIELD did a lot of "introduce supervillain as mook/oneshot character/supporter, forget to kill them, and then forget about them." Off the top of my head, there's Blizzard (who was always left open for a possible reappearance), the Scarlotti version of Whiplash, and the possibility of Absorbing Man going back to evil (or better yet, being pitched for the Thunderbolts by his government superiors, actually believing the others to be good guys). There's also Graviton, but he's not the kind of character I would see teaming up with anybody.

Though that's all off the possibility of Marvel even wanting to use those characters, which is unlikely.

Wasn't he more of an anti-villain though? He didn't really seem to be as villainous as he was in the comics. And he also kinda died at the end of the second episode with him in it.

At least a couple of the Thunderbolts are going to have to be Anti Villains or Token Good Teammates, as part of the premise. The primary way I see it possibly happening in the MCU (the Government, Ross in particular, puts them together as a replacement for the splintered Avengers composed of "heroes" they believe to be trustworthy or at least under control (note, again, that most of these characters are probably going to have to be introduced in the movie itself, with just a couple recurrers), but is being outgambited by the true Big Bad who is actually an old enemy in disguise who poses as the leader of the team) would even fit characters joining who have no idea that the others are evil at all.

edited 9th May '17 11:34:23 PM by KnownUnknown

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#70288: May 9th 2017 at 11:38:01 PM

I'm trying to think of any other Agents of SHIELD characters. Most of the major villains wouldn't have the same kind of goals, but maybe some of the smaller ones could be useful. Bring in the girl whose got cloning powers or that Australian guy with the flames.

edited 9th May '17 11:38:09 PM by AdricDePsycho

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#70289: May 9th 2017 at 11:43:17 PM

Whatever happened to Ian Quinn anyway? The show just kind of forgot he existed.

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#70290: May 9th 2017 at 11:44:18 PM

Nobody knows, he just kinda disappeared.

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#70291: May 9th 2017 at 11:46:02 PM

This was his actual plan. Tony Stark was the one who made it worse by deciding that the schematics he found inside a mind-controlling device should be used to build an A.I.

It was trying to do that before Stark came along, actually. In the basement of the Sokovian base where Tony finds the thing, one of the things he discovers is a bunch of useless robot shells. The assembly line to produce them is what Ultron brings back online to create his drones after leaving Stark Tower.

The implication is that under the influence of Mind Gem, Hydra was trying to build Thanos's murderbot too. They just didn't have the genius to pull it off.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70292: May 9th 2017 at 11:50:35 PM

Bring in the girl whose got cloning powers or that Australian guy with the flames.
She died, but he's in SHIELD custody.

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#70293: May 9th 2017 at 11:51:39 PM

Wait, when did she die? I swear, I keep forgetting half the shit that happens in this show.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70294: May 9th 2017 at 11:52:47 PM

Her last self was killed by one of the Kree Reapers last season. (I don't think she could make more than four of herself and by that point, three had died.)

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#70295: May 9th 2017 at 11:53:33 PM

Ah. I hate that I keep forgetting this stuff.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70296: May 10th 2017 at 12:09:17 AM

Wait, so they ignore the Agents of SHIELD show?

Then what happened to SHIELD in the MCU? They were around in Avengers but then in Avengers 2 they said SHIELD was disbanded. I was confused and assumed it happened in one of the tv series.

I guess it could have happened in Avengers 1 and it's just something else I forgot.

edited 10th May '17 12:10:06 AM by Nikkolas

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#70297: May 10th 2017 at 12:10:13 AM

Winter Soldier happened.

SHIELD on the TV series officially disbanded and spent most of Seasons 2 and 3 underground, before reemerging as an official organization again in Season 4.

edited 10th May '17 12:12:05 AM by Unsung

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#70298: May 10th 2017 at 12:10:26 AM

[up][up] ...Have you seen Captain America: Winter Soldier, Nikkolas?

edited 10th May '17 12:11:14 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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#70299: May 10th 2017 at 12:11:23 AM

They were disbanded in Captain America: The Winter Soldier because they'd been infiltrated by Hydra since their inception. Agents of SHIELD can't be acknowledged due to the big production gap between the movies and the television shows, but it ran with it in its first season by having Nick Fury give Coulson leadership over a reformed SHIELD.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70300: May 10th 2017 at 12:17:12 AM

[up][up] Nope.

[up] and [up][up][up] Hm, neat. SHIELD being incompetent and or/evil is keeping true to the comics at least.

So, uh, what does Fury do now and why did he have command of an aerial battleship in AOU?


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