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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#70226: May 8th 2017 at 8:15:09 AM

Why not just have the heroes serve as specialists on call?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#70227: May 8th 2017 at 8:40:51 AM

"Hope for humanity"?

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#70228: May 8th 2017 at 8:44:20 AM

[up][up]That's basically my thoughts on the matter. I think the Avengers make the most sense when they're a specialist team. You can still do stories about Secret Avengers and vigilante types that are unsanctioned but the standard team should be a recognized organization. Even if they're not government run they should at least be sanctioned by them.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70229: May 8th 2017 at 8:44:50 AM

[up][up] From the perspective of actually being able to rein in the Avengers. Was responding to the post about how the Avengers could pretty much just do whatever they want and no human could stop them. I thought about what could theoretically stop them.

edited 8th May '17 8:46:29 AM by Nikkolas

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70230: May 8th 2017 at 8:49:42 AM

[up]My point was not that the Avengers can't be stopped (I am sure if you throw enough resources towards them you will eventually take them down), but that the UN wants the Avengers as their protection against external threats. That doesn't really work that well if they are all either dead or in prison.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#70231: May 8th 2017 at 8:51:23 AM

Except for Thor and Vision, the Avengers are humanities.

And Vision is humaner than some humans. They say so in the comics sometimes.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70232: May 8th 2017 at 9:02:33 AM

[up] True enough. I meant "normal humans" I guess.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#70233: May 8th 2017 at 9:05:23 AM

Once you have access to nukes, you are not normal.

I personally cannot identify with anyone who has the power to wipe out millions of lives in one go. It is beyond my normal everyday experience.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#70235: May 8th 2017 at 10:23:00 AM

Possibly, yes.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#70236: May 8th 2017 at 10:35:04 AM

It would be more considerate of him than standing there stoically while Medusa is forced to translate his various muscle twitches or whatever for everyone else.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#70237: May 8th 2017 at 10:42:25 AM

How does Medusa know what Blackbolt is trying to communicate anyway?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70238: May 8th 2017 at 12:17:07 PM

I don't know what everyone is applying to.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#70239: May 8th 2017 at 12:18:54 PM

Oh yeah, the troll post was by some guy who'd popped here before after getting banned constantly for sock accounts.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#70240: May 8th 2017 at 12:21:56 PM

The troll question was whether Black Bolt should communicate in ASL (presumably specifically in the Inhumans show).

Which is a fair enough question, even if from noted troll.

And I think the Inhuman Royal Family is just super good at reading Black Bolt's body language. Someone should still give him a portable white board or something though.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#70241: May 8th 2017 at 12:27:02 PM

Thing is, ASL is a very human thing. Hell, it's American. It'd be odd to see Black Bolt using it to communicate among his fellow Inhumans, it's a bit like Aliens Speaking English. Which I guess the MCU already does, but still.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#70242: May 8th 2017 at 12:32:50 PM

Communicating in ASL specifically would be weird since that's not even the only sign language used in English speaking regions. The Inhumans speaking English makes a bit more sense since it's the third most common language on the planet and is the dominant language in most international negotiations.

edited 8th May '17 12:33:10 PM by Kostya

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#70243: May 8th 2017 at 12:49:24 PM

We accept worse contrivances

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#70244: May 8th 2017 at 12:51:02 PM

If anything, it'd be more interesting for Black Bolt to use something akin to the Monastic sign languages which are essentially predecessors to deaf language used by monks during the times they were not allowed to speak and/or took a vow of silence. It's much more primitive and less complex than actual sign language and it could raise some curious implications (maybe the monks learned this from the Inhumans or vice-versa?)

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#70245: May 8th 2017 at 1:00:31 PM

Trying for historical realism is all well and good, but if they learned modern idiomatic spoken and written English, they can learn modern idiomatic ASL, if they want. Wouldn't be such a bad thing, for those who speak ASL. Or any other sign language, for that matter.

thatguywhotypesstuff Since: Jul, 2011
#70246: May 8th 2017 at 1:18:08 PM

Didn't Black Bolt once have a device that allowed him to talk?

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#70247: May 8th 2017 at 1:36:13 PM

I'm not opposed to him speaking ASL with humans, but I think it'd be weird if he spoke between the Inhumans in it. Thus my suggestion of something more barebones like the monastic sign languages for when he's speaking to his own family.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70248: May 8th 2017 at 3:39:43 PM

I'm not opposed to him speaking ASL with humans, but I think it'd be weird if he spoke between the Inhumans in it.
If the Inhumans speak English, there shouldn't be any problem with Black Bolt using ASL. It's a genre convention — hell, we even have a trope called Aliens Speaking English. Why is the spoken form alright, but not the sign language one?

edited 8th May '17 3:40:01 PM by alliterator

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#70249: May 8th 2017 at 4:08:25 PM

ASL is not the only sign language in English speaking regions. Spoken dialogue could also be dismissed as a Translation Convention.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70250: May 8th 2017 at 4:09:49 PM

Spoken dialogue could also be dismissed as a Translation Convention.
So why couldn't ASL be considered Translation Convention, too? And yes, I know ASL isn't universal...but then neither is English.


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